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jude111
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Topic: Is Progressive Rock truly pretentious?Posted: May 29 2012 at 00:52 |
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 01:06 |
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Yeah, that's the one. I keep forgetting that's why Dylan made the album in the first place. |
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 13:04 |
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Prog rock, at least the real core of it, is truly pretentious by construction. Otherwise it would have not been created from the very first day. As Miles Davis played, So What?
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 17:09 |
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Many prog band did the music they did just because it was fun like Jethro Tull. I don't think it is pretentious.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 17:17 |
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Maybe we've been asking the wrong question all along. ? How does one know (not think, know) what is pretentious?
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"Composing itself, in a way, is a simplifying process, just trying to pick some (strands?) out [of] the clamour in the head." - Robert Wyatt.
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 18:49 |
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Naaaaa! I take that phrase,
"that if you think its pretentious,youve been taken for a ride"!
as meaning,what the artist was referring to,
was the real deal! ...um,that make sense?
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 19:10 |
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^ So, anything that's pretentious is the real deal? Is that what you are saying? Or just that specific album was the real deal?
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"Composing itself, in a way, is a simplifying process, just trying to pick some (strands?) out [of] the clamour in the head." - Robert Wyatt.
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martinprog77
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 22:20 |
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first you have to know [ even some prog fans don't know it ] what is progresive rock ?
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 23:51 |
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Prog that tries too hard can be pretentious but that's BS stuff like super lame prog metal that just sounds like recycled copies of everything. Or some of this djent stuff is just silly breakdowns for the sake of writing silly breakdowns.
But true prog rock cannot be pretentious because it is exactly the music that naturally flows out of the people that make it. Am I pretentious because when I play I don't want to be bored and I want to stay excited?
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 01:41 |
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^ That's the part where the author's intentions may not be quite clear.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 04:29 |
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I think all self expression could be deemed pretentious in as much as it presumes a caring recipient.
Ergo, how to avoid pretension? Easy, assume that no-one is remotely interested in what you have to express. Reductio ad absurdum: there is no longer any art. (happy now?) This is a pretentious post.(Admin edit) |
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Posted: May 31 2012 at 21:16 |
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...well,im only on about it cause,
"if you think that its pretentious,youve been taken for a ride,
look across the mirror sonny,before you chose a side,
it is real......it is raalllll"
"cause its only rock and roll,but i like it"
The key word in all of this? = IT !!!
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