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    Posted: May 29 2012 at 00:52
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha

And yet, if a band the critics liked had those same traits, they would get away with, assuming they didn't do something like, say, make an equivalent of Bob Dylan's Self Portrait.
Is that the album where Dylan covered songs by people who were influenced by him? In my opinion, that's the exact opposite of being pretentious. :-) Critics hated that album because their great Dylan, whom they were hoping would lead and execute the revolution on their behalf, dared to put himself at the same level of people like Gordon Lightfoot, Simon & Garfunkel, et al. "Look, man, I'm just a singer in a rock & roll band," he seemed to be saying.
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Originally posted by jude111

Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha

And yet, if a band the critics liked had those same traits, they would get away with, assuming they didn't do something like, say, make an equivalent of Bob Dylan's Self Portrait.
Is that the album where Dylan covered songs by people who were influenced by him? In my opinion, that's the exact opposite of being pretentious. :-) Critics hated that album because their great Dylan, whom they were hoping would lead and execute the revolution on their behalf, dared to put himself at the same level of people like Gordon Lightfoot, Simon & Garfunkel, et al. "Look, man, I'm just a singer in a rock & roll band," he seemed to be saying.


Yeah, that's the one. I keep forgetting that's why Dylan made the album in the first place.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote areazione Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2012 at 13:04
Prog rock, at least the real core of it, is truly pretentious by construction. Otherwise it would have not been created from the very first day.

As Miles Davis played, So What?
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< ="" ="text/" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0"> Many prog band did the music they did just because it was fun like Jethro Tull. I don't think it is pretentious.
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Maybe we've been asking the wrong question all along. ? How does one know (not think, know) what is pretentious?
"Composing itself, in a way, is a simplifying process, just trying to pick some (strands?) out [of] the clamour in the head." - Robert Wyatt.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote stacyj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2012 at 18:49
 Naaaaa!  I take that phrase,
"that if you think its pretentious,youve been taken for a ride"!
as meaning,what the artist was referring to,
was the real deal! ...um,that make sense?Confused
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^ So, anything that's pretentious is the real deal? Is that what you are saying? Or just that specific album was the real deal?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote martinprog77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2012 at 22:20
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Maybe we've been asking the wrong question all along. ? How does one know (not think, know) what is pretentious?
 
first you have to know  [ even some prog fans don't know it ]  what is progresive rock ? Smile
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Prog that tries too hard can be pretentious but that's BS stuff like super lame prog metal that just sounds like recycled copies of everything. Or some of this djent stuff is just silly breakdowns for the sake of writing silly breakdowns.

But true prog rock cannot be pretentious because it is exactly the music that naturally flows out of the people that make it. Am I pretentious because when I play I don't want to be bored and I want to stay excited?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2012 at 01:41
^ That's the part where the author's intentions may not be quite clear.
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I think all self expression could be deemed pretentious in as much as it presumes a caring recipient.
Ergo, how to avoid pretension? Easy, assume that no-one is remotely interested in what you have to express.
Reductio ad absurdum: there is no longer any art. (happy now?)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote stacyj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2012 at 21:16
...well,im only on about it cause,
"if you think that its pretentious,youve been taken for a ride,
look across the mirror sonny,before you chose a side,
it is real......it is raalllll"
"cause its only rock and roll,but i like it" Wink
The key word in all of this? =  IT !!! Smile
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