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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2011 at 08:27
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Sorry. I was unprecise. So let me be precise and also answer a more recent post by TheProgtologist too.

There has been some incidents of "you mock my political views so I am leaving this site" type of incidents over the last seven years here. All these huffing and puffing leavings has been applauded off the site by a certain admin.... and his applause has also been applauded by myself. A hell of a noise, btw. I think it is perfectly fine that the likes of Gingrich, Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel, Cameron, Perry and any other democratic elected politician get mocked in PA. Even those politicians I agree with deserves mocking here. This despite of me being offended too. But I deserve to be offended. 

None of those leaving PA was banned from PA. They became offended and left. Just like that.

What I don't understand is that the same Admin who did nothing when the followers of Cameron, Obama & Co was so offended that they left PA suddenly ask us not to offend the followers of a murdering despot like Kim Jong-Il. That is double standards in my world. It also opens up a can of worms for the Admins with wide ranging implications. 


It is unfitting of a collaborator to criticise and snipe at a fellow collaborator in the open forum. There is an "Open letter to all collaborators" in the CZ [Collaborator discussions (General)] that I suggest you refresh yourself with the contents of - then I recommend you open a thread in the CZ so you can be a little more open and frank about what the hell it is you are on about, because I'm still completely mystified and none the bloody wiser from this more "precise" answer. Stern Smile
 
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I certainly wouldn't make disrespectful remarks about even a politician that I have very little regard for say, Margaret Thatcher 3 days after she had died.


I would.  I'm waiting for her to pop her clogs... hurry up!
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Amazing how we can say anything we want about living political figures, but when they die we suddenly have to show utmost respect . It's like "you are free to speak about people as long as they're not dead".

Ok so anyone talking sh*t about Hitler or Stalin beter beware. You lost your chance to make jokes about them in 1945 and 1953 respectively.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I find it remarkable that anyone would be hurt by comments made about any western political leader. Even among their most ardent supporters.

I can't imagine what goes on the minds of people who are that sensitive about remarks made about people they a) don't know and b) demonstrably don't give two flying sh!ts about them..


Indeed.  I find it really weird how anyone can get so upset about someone who they never met.  The amount of grief on show when Diana died was astounding and actually quite worrying.  I realise some of those grieving had met her or had been affected by her in some way (by her charitable endeavours) but not all of them.  It was very odd to me.

The same for Michael Jackson.

If one of my favourite musicians died tomorrow, I'd be upset.  I wouldn't go to their funeral procession though.  I would not grieve in public.  I'd be upset for a short while and would play their albums for a week maybe but that would be it.

If I was a good friend of them, that would be different though.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:


Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I find it remarkable that anyone would be hurt by comments made about any western political leader. Even among their most ardent supporters.

I can't imagine what goes on the minds of people who are that sensitive about remarks made about people they a) don't know and b) demonstrably don't give two flying sh!ts about them..
Indeed.  I find it really weird how anyone can get so upset about someone who they never met.  The amount of grief on show when Diana died was astounding and actually quite worrying.  I realise some of those grieving had met her or had been affected by her in some way (by her charitable endeavours) but not all of them.  It was very odd to me.The same for Michael Jackson.If one of my favourite musicians died tomorrow, I'd be upset.  I wouldn't go to their funeral procession though.  I would not grieve in public.  I'd be upset for a short while and would play their albums for a week maybe but that would be it.If I was a good friend of them, that would be different though.


I read an interesting article - many years ago - in a psychology journal, regarding the death of Diana, and the bizarre outpouring of public grief. The long and short of the article was not so much that people were grieving her death, but as soon as the suggestion was put out there by the media, that she was the 'peoples princess' and had a connection with the 'man on the street' the floodgates opened. At a time when cynicism of the royal fairly was probably at a peak, it's possible that the public show of grief would not have been so profound had it not been turned into a spectacle by the media. It's kind of ironic really, because the actual establishment hated her.

In any case, she was a good women, unlike the inbred vampire family she married into.

As for Jacko, he brought more joy to the world than any politican as far as I can see. I can more understand someone being very upset at the death of someone who made them happy, and gave them a soundtrack to their life, rather than some back stabbing psychopath in a suit, who had never done a days real work in his life.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I certainly wouldn't make disrespectful remarks about even a politician that I have very little regard for say, Margaret Thatcher 3 days after she had died.


I would.  I'm waiting for her to pop her clogs... hurry up!
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She very much is still alive.

Very frail though.

I'm hoping for some good news soon!  Hopefully before the year is out... I can dream!

Oh and "pop her clogs" is one of those weird British sayings.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

She very much is still alive.

Very frail though.

I'm hoping for some good news soon!  Hopefully before the year is out... I can dream!

Oh and "pop her clogs" is one of those weird British sayings.
 
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Points: 5482 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2011 at 11:38
Oooohhh... that's disrespectful.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I find it remarkable that anyone would be hurt by comments made about any western political leader. Even among their most ardent supporters.

I can't imagine what goes on the minds of people who are that sensitive about remarks made about people they a) don't know and b) demonstrably don't give two flying sh!ts about them..


Indeed.  I find it really weird how anyone can get so upset about someone who they never met.  The amount of grief on show when Diana died was astounding and actually quite worrying.  I realise some of those grieving had met her or had been affected by her in some way (by her charitable endeavours) but not all of them.  It was very odd to me.

The same for Michael Jackson.

If one of my favourite musicians died tomorrow, I'd be upset.  I wouldn't go to their funeral procession though.  I would not grieve in public.  I'd be upset for a short while and would play their albums for a week maybe but that would be it.

If I was a good friend of them, that would be different though.

I think this is a brilliant a well observed post. I feel exactly the same way about these appalling public displays of "grief", and those in the media poking fun at a clearly brainwashed population in N Korea should really look a little closer to home.

BTW, as for offending people, i have to say that poking fun at political leaders (dead or alive) and placing their antics in a satirical or offensive box is actually a very healthy thing in a democracy. The day we start worrying about offending people by doing this would be a sad one indeed - actually, the start of the long road towards totalitarianism.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2011 at 12:22
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Oooohhh... that's disrespectful.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Oooohhh... that's disrespectful.
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I won't dwell on this for long but unfortunately we're already entering a totalitarian world and I cannot see it changing any time soon.

Anyhow, back onto topic.

I don't grieve Kim Jong-il in any way.
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Was she not an only child?

I might be wrong here.  I don't really plan to check either.
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Was she not an only child?

I might be wrong here.  I don't really plan to check either.
Who cares - it was a satirical joke, factual accuracy is not necessary.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:



I don't grieve Kim Jong-il in any way.


And I'd wager no one outside the country does. Especially if you are North Korean.
Because if you're living in another country...there's a reason! You dont just leave NK...
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Was she not an only child?

I might be wrong here.  I don't really plan to check either.
Who cares - it was a satirical joke, factual accuracy is not necessary.


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All grieve the passing of the only leader who could be ready for a nuclear war against France. 
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