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    Posted: January 06 2012 at 12:43
Originally posted by octopus-4

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I don't know if the subject had been created before, excuse me if so.

Progressive rock music(specially old ones) are very uncommon in my area, and I think thats made me such a fanatic person about prog.Unhappy

I think a lot of people here shares this feeling. I'm one of those nerds LOL
Your location is the origin of a great part of prog, RPI, what's goin' on over there nowadays?Unhappy


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Post Options Post Options   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2012 at 12:51
Originally posted by progprogprog

Originally posted by octopus-4

Originally posted by progprogprog

I don't know if the subject had been created before, excuse me if so.

Progressive rock music(specially old ones) are very uncommon in my area, and I think thats made me such a fanatic person about prog.Unhappy

I think a lot of people here shares this feeling. I'm one of those nerds LOL
Your location is the origin of a great part of prog, RPI, what's goin' on over there nowadays?Unhappy
There's a lot of new bands struggling to survive, then PFM and Banco are still around. Last year we had a two days progfest in Rome and Opeth with Pain of Salvation will play in Milan....unfortunately that's all.

Compared to the mainstream we are still a bunch of nerds. Banco and PFM are more famous outside than here and if you switch on any radio here you can have an overdose of mainstream crap.

Search for "Sanremo" on youtube and you'll have an idea
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I think classification is useful in sites like PA where you can route your views among bands that you (are supposed to) like by simply sorting them by subgenre. If I like Genesis a lot, I would search for other symphonic prog instead of some krautrock..
Beyond this, I usually dont care too much about subgenres.
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Originally posted by octopus-4

There's a lot of new bands struggling to survive, then PFM and Banco are still around. Last year we had a two days progfest in Rome and Opeth with Pain of Salvation will play in Milan....unfortunately that's all.

Compared to the mainstream we are still a bunch of nerds. Banco and PFM are more famous outside than here and if you switch on any radio here you can have an overdose of mainstream crap.

Search for "Sanremo" on youtube and you'll have an idea
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Originally posted by Ytse_Jam

I think classification is useful in sites like PA where you can route your views among bands that you (are supposed to) like by simply sorting them by subgenre. If I like Genesis a lot, I would search for other symphonic prog instead of some krautrock..
Beyond this, I usually dont care too much about subgenres.

Generally, classification's good as long as it's not turned into an obsession, IMO.
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I have an obsession with Elton John now, as you can see in my avatar/sig
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Originally posted by aginor

I have an obsession with Elton John now, as you can see in my avatar/sig
Though, I don't see it far from "love".Those two is proven to be abnormalGeek
I believe fanaticism makes life more alive. 
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Originally posted by progprogprog

Originally posted by aginor

I have an obsession with Elton John now, as you can see in my avatar/sig
Though, I don't see it far from "love".Those two is proven to be abnormalGeek
I believe fanaticism makes life more alive. 
its really high quality music and rarely any songs from 70 to 76 that can be labeled bad or filler really

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I would love to see multi genre album/artist tagging on PA (it would help prevent most of the tiresome squabbles that the Admins have to wade into over classification etc) I'm not a techie person but I would imagine converting our huge database to be compatible with such a system would be a hugely complex job?
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Originally posted by octopus-4

Originally posted by progprogprog

Originally posted by octopus-4

Originally posted by progprogprog

I don't know if the subject had been created before, excuse me if so.

Progressive rock music(specially old ones) are very uncommon in my area, and I think thats made me such a fanatic person about prog.Unhappy

I think a lot of people here shares this feeling. I'm one of those nerds LOL
Your location is the origin of a great part of prog, RPI, what's goin' on over there nowadays?Unhappy
There's a lot of new bands struggling to survive, then PFM and Banco are still around. Last year we had a two days progfest in Rome and Opeth with Pain of Salvation will play in Milan....unfortunately that's all.

Compared to the mainstream we are still a bunch of nerds. Banco and PFM are more famous outside than here and if you switch on any radio here you can have an overdose of mainstream crap.

Search for "Sanremo" on youtube and you'll have an idea


I absolutely agree with what you're saying...but there are many bands coming back (RRR, Maxophone) and also a lot of new ones (like Tempio delle Clessidre). The bands are not the problems, it's just that the fanbase is mainly composed of middle-aged men and in 40 years they'll be all dead.
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I would sign-off 40 years...I'm expecting to be around for less time, honestly. Big smile
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I'm guilty of genre obsession. I can say I love Prog all day long, but really it's more complicated than that. I can listen to some fusion if the guitars are up front, but I can't do jazz for more than an hour or so.

I go on band-to-band basis. That will usually pull me into a sub-genre.
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No one can avoid it, actually I believe you need it in order to compare your sentimental responses in different angles of music.But as you start analyzing it, that's where real obsession triggers.
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Originally posted by octopus-4

Originally posted by progprogprog

Originally posted by octopus-4

Originally posted by progprogprog

I don't know if the subject had been created before, excuse me if so.

Progressive rock music(specially old ones) are very uncommon in my area, and I think thats made me such a fanatic person about prog.Unhappy

I think a lot of people here shares this feeling. I'm one of those nerds LOL
Your location is the origin of a great part of prog, RPI, what's goin' on over there nowadays?Unhappy
There's a lot of new bands struggling to survive, then PFM and Banco are still around. Last year we had a two days progfest in Rome and Opeth with Pain of Salvation will play in Milan....unfortunately that's all.

Compared to the mainstream we are still a bunch of nerds. Banco and PFM are more famous outside than here and if you switch on any radio here you can have an overdose of mainstream crap.

Search for "Sanremo" on youtube and you'll have an idea

oh my god, it's so funny you should mention Sanremo

it has a very strong nostalgic popularity in Russia, we have fests like 80's Discotheque all the time

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Post Options Post Options   Quote infandous Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2012 at 09:10
I think the album tagging idea is fantastic, and I have no problems with the current categorizations.  Well, some specific bands I take issue with how they were categorized, but as mentioned previously, tagging would help to eliminate some of this.

Categorization is impossible to avoid, no matter how much you think you are above it or whatever (heck, "music" is itself a category).  As human beings, it's what we do, consciously or unconsciously, every single one of us.  I mean, if we didn't, there would be no progarchives at all.  Just a giant, all inclusive, music site where you couldn't find anything you wanted to find because none of it would be classified in any way.  Except alphabetically, which is of course a classification.  So you can't really get around it no matter what you do.

Every argument I see against classification is specific to a given band or album.  I think tagging would be the best way to resolve a lot of this.  The band would get classified a specific way by the admins, then it would be up to the users to tag the individual albums.  This might result in a bands albums not matching their classification, but if that happened (which, I think, would be extremely rare) then the admins could take another look at the band and possibly re-classify them.

In any case, I don't mind things the way they are but do agree with Logan that it would be nice to find cross genre acts easier on the site.  As it is, I don't really do much research here either, unless I hear about a specific band or bands elsewhere and want to find out more about them and their albums here.


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I suppose one possible solution could be to just start allowing readers/members to tag albums via some separate indicator that had no connection to Team-assigned genres, gradually creating a public tagging system.  

But if you ask me, those things can be a real mess with terms as 'Psychedelic/Jazz-Funk Symphonic ElectroSpace Jam-Oriented Death Math Metal'.   If someone actually finds that helpful, assuming they trust that many mishmashed opinions, so be it.


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Yeah I used to be quite a genre stickler myself and obsessed with labeling, maybe because of that is how I ended up like this...I hate genres franklyLOL
With metal, I now have like 6 or 7 I use for my personal collection and prog rock is pretty much prog rock. I just drove myself insane with genres and found it easier and more logical just to consolidate.

Started more than a few arguments about how can I think "x" is that? or how "y" isn't even really a genre?

Besides the band themselves don't care a lick, even if they do! It seems every artist regardless of genre say "nah we're just (x) and whatever label you wanna put on us doesn't matter". A little lame to here from a band that is blatantly playing a style but valid point anyway!
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Originally posted by Gerinski

..... Band tag + some looking at the album reviews gives you a fair enough image of what you can expect from each album.
 
Same here, exactly. I've never had a problem with finding the exact info that I need about any prog artist/band, album or song right here, and only here. PA is the only prog web page I visit and I need. If it's not in PA, probably not worthy.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2012 at 08:48
Prog. Rock naturally ! 
 In a human being life  our minds passing many stages, like evolutions, since early times until a mature point of views, example: My obsession in my early times was hard rock but after with a mature stage of think,  I knew Prog. Rock infinity ocean and find my place ,with my boat fishing and knowing different  fishes styles!
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