Are We Not Better Than This?

Originally posted by topographicbroadways Originally posted by Snow Dog Originally posted by topographicbroadways Originally posted by Snow Dog Originally posted by Blacksword I thought we were supposed to be 'civilised' and our enemies were the retarded, psychotic savages who hate us because we let women drive, and eat McDonalds. In the grand scheme of war, urinating on corpses may seem like small potatoes, but if it were the 'enemy' who filmed themeslves urinating on dead marines, the outcry and condemnation would be deafening, and offered up as some sort of proof of our holding the moral high ground over them. The enemy do far worse normally. But I see your point.  Difficult to control soldiers though. Sometimes from the lower end of society. Given a gun. Told to kill. I  find it hard to feel pity for any Taliban living or dead. We must agree to differ. I simply do not care enough to be outraged. You can't see how the Taliban soldiers are in the same situation? Indoctrinated with an attitude from childhood and then given a gun.  They may be fighting for a terrible organisation but they are still human. And were groomed to have that attitude. Just like the US military groomed and sent these men to piss on their corpses. No it isn't the same. Unless you are suggesting soldiers a brainwashed.Even if it is the same..what of it? And they weren't sent there to piss on anyone. That's something they did of their own volition. Can't believe the Taliban are getting sympathy here. Do we all love Nazis now too? Nobody is sympathising with the taliban. What i'm saying is that when it comes to war the ones that are doing the fighting are rarely as terrible as what they represent.  So you bring up the Nazis? Do you think every Nazi soldier was a brutal anti-semite who wanted a Thousand year Reich?

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush More damage to the US military..... The Marine Sniper Team probably does worse than this but in this tech age everything ends up on youtube or online somewhere and there is no hiding. The Marines should know this after the debacle some years back of the prison detention centre photos.  Its a mindset... Maybe we should blame the drill sargents and officers who put this kill or be killed mindset into the Marines and desensitise them to killing and depravity before we blame these Marines here under scrutiny.

Originally posted by The T As always Slarti you can't see past your liberals-republicans mental divide. I'm quite sure libertarians at that time didn't want togo to war either, probably less so than democrats who ended up voting for it anyway (many of them).

As usual you can't see past your stereotypical view of liberals.  This was one issue we were together with libertarians on.  There are others.  No need to slam me on my statement.  I just don't remember libertarians speaking out against the war as much as liberals and us being dismissed as unpatriotic and worse.


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 17 2012 at 18:05

this was a big case in Norwegian news some years ago that was not taken positivl

norwegian troops in afganistan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5uQcU92x2o


Edited by aginor - January 17 2012 at 18:11

Originally posted by Epignosis Originally posted by Slartibartfast Originally posted by The T As always Slarti you can't see past your liberals-republicans mental divide. I'm quite sure libertarians at that time didn't want togo to war either, probably less so than democrats who ended up voting for it anyway (many of them). As usual you can't see past your stereotypical view of liberals.  This was one issue we were together with libertarians on.  There are others.  No need to slam me on my statement.  I just don't remember libertarians speaking out against the war as much as liberals and us being dismissed as unpatriotic and worse. I find it quite amusing that you of all folks accuse someone of holding stereotypical views of political parties, especially Teo, who had a bloodier heart than yours not too long ago. If the past five years have taught me anything with respect to US politics, it's this: Typically, Republicans and Democrats both tend toward fascism, just for different reasons.

Fascism "is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics."
Democrats fit this profile?


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 17 2012 at 18:37

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Originally posted by Epignosis Originally posted by Slartibartfast Originally posted by The T As always Slarti you can't see past your liberals-republicans mental divide. I'm quite sure libertarians at that time didn't want togo to war either, probably less so than democrats who ended up voting for it anyway (many of them). As usual you can't see past your stereotypical view of liberals.  This was one issue we were together with libertarians on.  There are others.  No need to slam me on my statement.  I just don't remember libertarians speaking out against the war as much as liberals and us being dismissed as unpatriotic and worse. I find it quite amusing that you of all folks accuse someone of holding stereotypical views of political parties, especially Teo, who had a bloodier heart than yours not too long ago. If the past five years have taught me anything with respect to US politics, it's this: Typically, Republicans and Democrats both tend toward fascism, just for different reasons. Fascism "is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics." Democrats fit this profile?

Yes, yes, and yes.

Originally posted by Epignosis Yes, yes, and yes.

Nice links.  I like the Wilson one in particular.
Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856 – February 3, 1924) was the 28th President of the United States, from 1913 to 1921. A leader of the Progressive Movement,

This sounds rather fascist:
Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws, and every law that protects workers. Most recently, Democrats stood together to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act.

You didn't pop in those links thinking they would make you case before reading them?  I confess I have occasional made a similar mistake with buzzflash.com  For the most part I can count on them.


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 17 2012 at 19:20

Originally posted by SpaceMonkey < ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0"> Originally posted by The Truth One minute they're at shooting you and the next they're dead. It's hard to control your bladder in moments like that. The Fog of War is a hell of a thing.

You know the whole peeing on dead people isn't the problem here....

Originally posted by Epignosis Originally posted by Slartibartfast Originally posted by Epignosis Yes, yes, and yes. Nice links.  I like the Wilson one in particular. Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856 – February 3, 1924) was the 28th President of the United States, from 1913 to 1921. A leader of the Progressive Movement, This sounds rather fascist: Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws, and every law that protects workers. Most recently, Democrats stood together to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act. You didn't pop in those links thinking they would make you case before reading them?  I confess I have occasional made a similar mistake with buzzflash.com  For the most part I can count on them. Woah, Slart.  Did you even read the civil rights article?  You are quoting (in bold) what the Democratic party has claimed on their website.  Please actually read an article before commenting on it. Woodrow Wilson was a eugenicist.  It is amazing to me that the party commonly associated with reproductive rights was in favor of compulsory sterilizations.

History flash.  Democrats of that era that supported that crap switched over to the Republican party.


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 17 2012 at 19:56

Originally posted by Snow Dog I have no problem with this at all. Not saying I would do the same but  I am unmoved about it.