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    Posted: January 16 2012 at 19:35


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Another very sad and disgusting act carried out in war.
Hate to be such a cynical b*****d but its almost not even a surprise with all the stories we hear and the others we don't really hear about (officially).

Just my 2 cents: We know in the military the targets are just that...and I do think it takes getting into a certain mindset to do what it is the military has to do. I think it's why we see so much abuse, it's not doing just a job..some (and those some give all a bad name) do just view it as a target and not even human, or even as "evil" and do these terrible things because well..they didnt deserve to live and are evil anyway, so its fine to urinate on their corpse.

Its not just a US or current thing either, how many sad stories have their been throughout history? I just think it takes such a mindset and getting so "amped up" to do what they do, that  judgment, composure and even sanity are lost temporarily. Especially in the heat of the battle. It's kind of sad to me all around, not that it justifies the actions of those few.





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See, here's the thing, I can understand our soldier doing this because they had hostility towards the taliban enemy.  Filming it and letting it get out on youtube was just stupid.

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

See, here's the thing, I can understand our soldiers doing this because they had hostility towards the taliban enemy.  Filming it and letting it get out on youtube was just stupid.
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What is there to say?  Ugliness is ugliness no matter the reason.


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No.  No, we are not.


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It's ugly and technically a war crime.But you have to get into the mindset of a combat soldier,serving multiple tours of duty.It hardens you,especially when you can get killed at any moment...24/7.Human life means very little,except for the people you are serving with.I saw much worse than this just in Somalia.Grunts in Nam used to cut ears off of enemy dead and dried them and wore them on necklaces.This sh*t happens,it's war,and it's not pretty.

I could care less what happens to some terrorist scumbags after they get waxed.The soldiers shouldn't have filmed it/taken pictures of it,it was pretty stupid of them.

I mean..the Taliban are such fine human beings.God forbid someone pisses on some of their dead.




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Can't watch the clip at work. Is this the soldiers urinating on Taliban corpses?

Appalling. Almost as bad as the clip of marines throwing the live puppy off a cliff. Anyone else had the pleasure of seeing that? There really are some pieces of sh!t out there.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 05:44
I have no problem with this at all. Not saying I would do the same but  I am unmoved about it. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 06:04
I really can't say if I would or wouldn't do the same thing in that environment.
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You can ascertain a lot about someone's character in threads like these.
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^I agree. same with most threads.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 06:20
Originally posted by Blacksword

 

Appalling. Almost as bad as the clip of marines throwing the live puppy off a cliff. Anyone else had the pleasure of seeing that? There really are some pieces of sh!t out there.

Hardly  the same thing at all! get a grip!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote laplace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 06:26
Originally posted by Snow Dog

^I agree. same with most threads.


Not on this site... three quarters of the threads are "say you like something" and never provoke discussion, while the latter quarter are screwed up into unreadability by unnecessarily snarky admins who really should take a long break.
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Originally posted by laplace

Originally posted by Snow Dog

^I agree. same with most threads.


Not on this site... three quarters of the threads are "say you like something" and never provoke discussion, while the latter quarter are screwed up into unreadability by unnecessarily snarky admins who really should take a long break.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 06:39
Originally posted by Snow Dog


Originally posted by Blacksword

 
Appalling. Almost as bad as the clip of marines throwing the live puppy off a cliff. Anyone else had the pleasure of seeing that? There really are some pieces of sh!t out there.

Hardly  the same thing at all! get a grip!


Both examples of appalling unacceptable behaviour.

At this point I'm assuming the clip is off marines p!ssing on dead men. No one has answered that question yet.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 06:45
^ It is.

I  don't see what is so appalling. You realise they shot these men dead first. That isn't appalling? We brutalise men and teach them to kill. We send them miles from home against an enemy they hate. This is really minor stuff pissing on a corpse. 
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