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    Posted: April 01 2013 at 09:32
Originally posted by Windhawk


Originally posted by Andrea Cortese


Not only: in the superb 1981's record The Wild, The Willing and The Innocent there are wonderful orchestral arrangements (courtesy of Paul Buckmaster) for a quasi-symphonic appeal.


Indeed, a superb album. Sublime in places.
Ditto on that.
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Originally posted by sarge

What's goin on proggies?!?

Thought I'd take the time out of my particularly boisterous Friday night to let you all know how disheartened I was to find out UFO haven't found their place in PA. Obviously they're not progressive rock in the strictest sense, but surely their first 2/3 albums earn them a spot in the 'space rock/prog related' sections.





I am glad they turned hard-rock. I can live without their spacey stuff.

I agree that not having them in PA is a mistake though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 16:03
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Originally posted by sarge

What's goin on proggies?!?

Thought I'd take the time out of my particularly boisterous Friday night to let you all know how disheartened I was to find out UFO haven't found their place in PA. Obviously they're not progressive rock in the strictest sense, but surely their first 2/3 albums earn them a spot in the 'space rock/prog related' sections.





I am glad they turned hard-rock. I can live without their spacey stuff.

I agree that not having them in PA is a mistake though.


Indeed, their first spacey output is far from memorable.

Their post '74 production is hard and wonderful, proggy in places as in the memorable  "Love to Love" or in "Lights Out", the latter very reminiscent of Zep's "Achilles Last Stand".

I love in particular the Chapman-years. This is "The Writer" opening number on their Mechanix album (1982). Wonderful synth solo and sax.




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... and "Profession of Violence" is probably one of the best ballads of all time!




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The great "Love to Love" (1977):



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eria Tarka Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2013 at 17:30
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese

Originally posted by lucas

Originally posted by sarge

What's goin on proggies?!?

Thought I'd take the time out of my particularly boisterous Friday night to let you all know how disheartened I was to find out UFO haven't found their place in PA. Obviously they're not progressive rock in the strictest sense, but surely their first 2/3 albums earn them a spot in the 'space rock/prog related' sections.





I am glad they turned hard-rock. I can live without their spacey stuff.

I agree that not having them in PA is a mistake though.


Indeed, their first spacey output is far from memorable.

Their post '74 production is hard and wonderful, proggy in places as in the memorable  "Love to Love" or in "Lights Out", the latter very reminiscent of Zep's "Achilles Last Stand".

I love in particular the Chapman-years. This is "The Writer" opening number on their Mechanix album (1982). Wonderful synth solo and sax.





My dad bought that album just for "The Writer", he never listens to any other track off that record.LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AtomicCrimsonRush Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2013 at 18:39
Great to see this thread again. UFO could have been placed in PR but nothing more. Related to Prog at least but hard rock is more suited as they didnt explore the more proggy territory fully. They appear on prog compilations often though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:15
^^^

I agree. Psych/space wouldn't be suitable for them 'cause their earlier stuff is not very representative of their hard/rock - proto/metal style. Further interesting proggy sparkles can be heard here and there in their Crysalis years, btw.

So, prog-related should be the (correct) classification.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2013 at 16:18
This is a great and interesting number. Strong Zep's influence and a good mellotron in the second part.

"This Kid's (incl. Between the Walls)" from Force It (1975).


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2013 at 16:21
... from the very same album another gem with mellotron sound (and acoustic guitar): "High Flyer".


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2013 at 14:41
This another one I love: "Martian Landscape" from No Heavy Petting (1976). Dreamy keys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg9l2419HKw
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Definitely the first 3 UFO albums.
 
If Rainbow is on PA...so should UFO. (prog related)


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Originally posted by Gooner

Definitely the first 3 UFO albums.
 
If Rainbow is on PA...so should UFO. (prog related)

Fair point, and one which is difficult to argue with. Having said that, you could make the same argument for a slew of hard and classic rock acts from the 70's & 80's, in which case we would turn into the ProgClassicHeavyHard Archives.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Windhawk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2013 at 12:29
Originally posted by Gooner

Definitely the first 3 UFO albums.
 
If Rainbow is on PA...so should UFO. (prog related)


Rainbow's case - at least as I see it - is a tad different. You can draw their distinct influence on to Rising Force/Malmsteen and on to Symphony X. A distinct influence on the formation of progressive metal as a style. While I wouldn't have minded seeing UFO here due to their first albums, I can't really see an argument for them in the same manner as for Rainbow.
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Originally posted by Windhawk

Originally posted by Gooner

Definitely the first 3 UFO albums.
 
If Rainbow is on PA...so should UFO. (prog related)


Rainbow's case - at least as I see it - is a tad different. You can draw their distinct influence on to Rising Force/Malmsteen and on to Symphony X. A distinct influence on the formation of progressive metal as a style. While I wouldn't have minded seeing UFO here due to their first albums, I can't really see an argument for them in the same manner as for Rainbow.


UFO were a major influence on Steve Harris, and Iron Maiden in general. And as everyone knows, maiden were essential in the development of prog metal.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2013 at 15:50
ehe he heh

now we've found two arguments for their desired inclusion in prog-related:

1) their first 2 studio records (UFO e UFO 2 - Flying) plus their first LIVE.
2) their influence on the development of prog metal (it means for their records from Phenomenon on).

I think both are correct and fair even if the latter is more in the field of personal opinion than in the field of objectiveness.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote stegor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2013 at 23:25
I loved UFO (and Scorpions) back in the '70's, but not because they were Prog or Prog related, just because they were an awesome melodic hard rock band with excellent musicianship and songwriting and performance skills. They veered into Prog a bit here and there (Love to Love (despite it's title), Martian Landscape and a few others), but not enough in my opinion.

On the other hand, Flying (One Hour Space Rock), I would call prog, but I can't stand it. Ironic.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2013 at 14:58
I see your point. The first output of the band is not where to start with. Personally I prefer the Chapman years to the more celebrated Schenker era.

I agree also with the first part of your post: I listen to music I like no matter what genre. And I like UFO a lot.

Prog related is only a fictio; it is not a true kind of music. We use the term here for the sake of completeness.

It is not a meaningless word, though. We need evidence in music or in musicians.

Here' another interesting number from the Making Contact wonderful album (1983): When It's Time To Rock.

It's not only an anthemic hard rock song; I listen to some proto-progmetal in the middle section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwxipYRhou8

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Originally posted by stegor


On the other hand, Flying (One Hour Space Rock), I would call prog, but I can't stand it. Ironic.


same here, and unfortunately, in a similar way, I also would say prog Journey is very lame compared to AOR Journey.


Edited by lucas - April 08 2013 at 15:42
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 16:27
I love the dreamy keys of Danny Peyronell, acoustic guitar, mellotron and slow solos of Schenker. This is Belladonna from the No Heavy Petting album (1976).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnrTkWelwHA


Edited by Andrea Cortese - April 10 2013 at 16:46
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