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richardh 
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I would always vote for ELP because of:
The Barbarian
Tank
Tarkus
The Endless Enigma
From The Beginning
Trilogy
Karn Evil 9
Toccata
Pirates
..but that illustrates an issue with ELP , they recorded several great tracks over their first 5 studio albums but none of those albums are masterpeices. (and after Works Volume One there was 'nothing'.)
King Crimson on the other hand made massive albums like ITCOTKC and Red that were virtually templates for symphonic prog and heavy prog. KC was more than one band though and that should be factored into the debate. The line up that made Red was very diferent to that on the debut. Then you had the later stuff. Only one common denominator - Mr Fripp.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:10 |
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I disagree, Trilogy and BSS are both masterpieces.
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Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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twosteves
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:18 |
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KC is a more important band---and have music that is holding up over time--the same can't be said for ELP---
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richardh
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:21 |
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Trilogy is the most consistent but The Sheriff and Living Sin are a little lacking
BSS is my favourite album and for 40 minutes is mostly brilliant but the last 5 minutes just isn't impressive enough for me like say the end of Tarkus is.Its my only real gripe although Benny The Bouncer is not exactly ELP's finest moment and neither is the dodgy injoke lyrics on Still You Turn Me On. Edited by richardh - January 23 2012 at 15:22 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:24 |
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Crimson by a long way.
I like ELP, and I would agree with Snowie, that Trilogy is a masterpiece. One of my top albums of recent years. It took me quite a while to appreciate both bands, for different reasons, but I've enjoyed exploring Crimson more; not really knowing what to expect with each album I bought, but never being disappointed. |
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Varon
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 15:42 |
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I like ELP very much and BSS is one of my top albums but i prefer KC by far because of:
-Starless -Islands -Trio -Epitaph -In the court of the Crimson King -Larks tongues...part1,2 -Lady of the dancing water -Song of Gulls (!!!!!!) -Fallen Angel - Talking Drum -Frame dy frame -Indiscipline -Dinasaur -One time etc
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Would you catch the final words of mine?
Would you catch my words??? |
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someone_else
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 16:20 |
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ELP by a small margin.
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akaBona
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 16:40 |
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King Crimson. I don't listen ELP anymore, find it kind of boring ...
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Wanorak
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 19:28 |
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IMO BSS is their only masterpiece. Trilogy, other than the title track and In the Beginning, bores me
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 19:36 |
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I like them both pretty much, but I like King Crimson better.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 21:01 |
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This.
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Please pay a visit to my blog...The Dark Elf File...a slighty skewed journal of music reviews, literary comment, fan-fiction and interminable essays.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 24 2012 at 05:00 |
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Well I still must disagree. The Sheriiff and Living Sin are excellent tracks. As are Benny the B and Still...... I would say Tarkus is a masterpiece too but I won't. I don't feel like defending it. The end of BSS is aswesome btw. Are you sure you are a fan? You aren't a fan in the way I am. I have noticed this many times before. I love ELP you just seem to like them a lot.
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Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Posted: January 24 2012 at 05:52 |
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KC's first album is way better than any ELP album.
ELP's first five albums are way better than KC's second best album.
I vote for ELP.
Come to think of it ITCOTCK is only a bit better than Trilogy and Pictures.
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Moogtron III
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For me as well. |
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Posted: January 24 2012 at 08:00 |
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If it wasn't for the very last ouputs I would have said ELP, but this time I'm for "both"
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Posted: January 24 2012 at 09:05 |
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King Crimson did not release crud like Love Bithc and In the Hot Sheet
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b_olariu
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Posted: January 24 2012 at 10:20 |
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 , I do like ELP first 3 albums, Tarkus being one of my fav albums ever, never got into KC, I don't know is someting in their music that Is unlistenable to mebut no band between these two is among my fav bands |
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Hercules
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Posted: January 24 2012 at 11:32 |
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ELP made two very good albums (ELP and Trilogy), though they aren't my fave band of all time. I kept 4 of their albums when I had my pogrom last year and got rid of 1200 albums.
KC made one I initially loved (ITCOTCK) but after that, it went downhill and I've got sick of even the debut now - it sounds SO dated. All theirs went to the gulag. And I don't miss them.
So ELP for me.
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Posted: January 24 2012 at 13:26 |
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I think people who LOVE ELP are rare. I do, though. Mainly because of Emerson, who for about five years was more useful to me as a musician than my own piano teacher! King Crimson are more progressive, however. In fact, it is quite clear that they remain the most progressive band in the history of post-Beatles music. I don't make that claim lightly. But along with Yes, these two groups are the only [prog] ones that I'm sure I will continue listening to after the "initial purchasing stages", forming a trilogy ( |
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Posted: January 24 2012 at 14:11 |
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I don't understand this whatsoever.. You didn't even mention their real masterpieces.
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Persuasion deflowers your sympathy.
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) of music that is very important in my life.