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    Posted: January 26 2012 at 10:25

Two virtuosos. Both composers. McLaughlin is the better virtuoso, Fripp the better composer. I value composition above anything else in music, so.... Fripp.

In fact, I can't think of a more skilled guitarist than John McLaughlin, and Fripp's writing is not only unique, but some of the best works to come out of the 20th century, in my opinion. I'm looking at the 'Larks' era........ changing the form of what we call 'rock' music, rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).



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Originally posted by ninestonesclose

You can't compare these two like for like... sorry.... both equally brilliant and totally different. Love them both.

Agreed. They're both amazingly good, and quite different in style, technique, ability, etc. I can't choose on this one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote digdug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2012 at 11:25
I do enjoy MO and KC but 
neither of these would make my top 10 guitarists

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Originally posted by thehallway

... rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).

Some examples to illustrate your words would be great.Geek
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Originally posted by progprogprog

Originally posted by thehallway

... rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).

Some examples to illustrate your words would be great.Geek

Side 1 of Foxtrot.



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Originally posted by thehallway

Originally posted by progprogprog

Originally posted by thehallway

... rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).

Some examples to illustrate your words would be great.Geek

Side 1 of Foxtrot.


If Get Em' Out By Friday is pop, geez, PA "got it bad, got it bad" quoting Van Halen. Tongue
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It's chords with vocals..... and neither the chords nor the vocals are innovative (in fact, the lyrics far too embarrassingly bad to be called pop music). Doing it for 8 minutes doesn't make it progressive...... or good.

So, yeah, not pop exactly....... but about as interesting as some pop.



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Originally posted by thehallway

It's chords with vocals..... and neither the chords nor the vocals are innovative (in fact, the lyrics far too embarrassingly bad to be called pop music). Doing it for 8 minutes doesn't make it progressive...... or good.

So, yeah, not pop exactly....... but about as interesting as some pop.


Chords with vocals? Ha, you're funny, I like you. Hug
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Originally posted by The Quiet One

Originally posted by thehallway

It's chords with vocals..... and neither the chords nor the vocals are innovative (in fact, the lyrics far too embarrassingly bad to be called pop music). Doing it for 8 minutes doesn't make it progressive...... or good.

So, yeah, not pop exactly....... but about as interesting as some pop.


Chords with vocals? Ha, you're funny, I like you. Hug

err... thanks.



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McLaughlin is a better player, but Fripp is more original (not that McLaughlin isn't).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote progprogprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2012 at 19:47
Originally posted by thehallway

Originally posted by progprogprog

Originally posted by thehallway

... rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....).

Some examples to illustrate your words would be great.Geek

Side 1 of Foxtrot.

It will make Apollo so angry man, just saying.





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Post Options Post Options   Quote progprogprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2012 at 19:56
Originally posted by thehallway

It's chords with vocals..... and neither the chords nor the vocals are innovative  ...


That's just absurd.It weren't innovative if they mimicked previous bands which isn't true.
Maybe you should define this two words:
1.pop
2.innovation 

However you're somehow right about the lyric. 


p.s As you're in PA for a long time, you've certainly said that before so it may be repetitive for you, why don't you just tell the gist of your thoughts to explain how do you really see prog and what do you expect from a prog song?Wacko
 


Edited by progprogprog - January 27 2012 at 05:02
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Side 1 of Foxtrot is by and large pop, in terms of structure.   Which is fine if you pretend Supper's Ready doesn't exist.  But Dancing with the moonlit knight is not pop by any stretch of imagination nor are Musical Box or Fountain of Salmacis.  
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Damn.

I think Fripp takes it. Barely.
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Two great guitarists who come to music from different directions while probably having a similiar goal.  KC were jazz-influenced rock musicians who played music heavily influenced by 20th century classical composers and who were heavy on group improvisation.  MO were rock-influenced jazz musicians who played music heavily influenced by 20th century classical composers and who were heavy on individual improvisation.
 
And how can anyone say Johnny Mac isn't as a good composer as Fripp after hearing Birds of Fire or Apocalypse?
 
Both men broke down musicial barriers and changed our perceptions of what a guitar player should sound like.
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Originally posted by rogerthat

Side 1 of Foxtrot is by and large pop, in terms of structure.   Which is fine if you pretend Supper's Ready doesn't exist.  But Dancing with the moonlit knight is not pop by any stretch of imagination nor are Musical Box or Fountain of Salmacis.  

Pop in terms of stucture? What tosh. Why is it not rock in terms of structure? This  whole argument is frustrating.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by rogerthat

Side 1 of Foxtrot is by and large pop, in terms of structure.   Which is fine if you pretend Supper's Ready doesn't exist.  But Dancing with the moonlit knight is not pop by any stretch of imagination nor are Musical Box or Fountain of Salmacis.  

Pop in terms of stucture? What tosh. Why is it not rock in terms of structure? This  whole argument is frustrating.


Hardly any difference in terms of structure between pop and rock (i.e. not prog) anyway.  But in either case, not progressive in terms of structure, if I might put it that way instead. 
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Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by rogerthat

Side 1 of Foxtrot is by and large pop, in terms of structure.   Which is fine if you pretend Supper's Ready doesn't exist.  But Dancing with the moonlit knight is not pop by any stretch of imagination nor are Musical Box or Fountain of Salmacis.  

Pop in terms of stucture? What tosh. Why is it not rock in terms of structure? This  whole argument is frustrating.


Hardly any difference in terms of structure between pop and rock (i.e. not prog) anyway.  But in either case, not progressive in terms of structure, if I might put it that way instead. 

I'd rather you did...or say "simple song structure"

But I disagree either way.LOL
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