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thehallway ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 13 2010 Location: Dorset, England Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
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Two virtuosos. Both composers. McLaughlin is the better virtuoso, Fripp the better composer. I value composition above anything else in music, so.... Fripp. In fact, I can't think of a more skilled guitarist than John McLaughlin, and Fripp's writing is not only unique, but some of the best works to come out of the 20th century, in my opinion. I'm looking at the 'Larks' era........ changing the form of what we call 'rock' music, rather than adding Mellotrons to pop songs and calling that progressive (ahem.... Genesis.....). |
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2452 |
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Agreed. They're both amazingly good, and quite different in style, technique, ability, etc. I can't choose on this one.
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digdug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3347 |
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I do enjoy MO and KC but neither of these would make my top 10 guitarists |
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Prog On!
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Gandalff ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 07 2007 Location: Middle-Earth Status: Offline Points: 4214 |
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Guess who!
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
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progprogprog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 05 2011 Status: Offline Points: 279 |
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Some examples to illustrate your words would be great.
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thehallway ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 13 2010 Location: Dorset, England Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
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Side 1 of Foxtrot. |
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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If Get Em' Out By Friday is pop, geez, PA "got it bad, got it bad" quoting Van Halen.
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thehallway ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 13 2010 Location: Dorset, England Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
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It's chords with vocals..... and neither the chords nor the vocals are innovative (in fact, the lyrics far too embarrassingly bad to be called pop music). Doing it for 8 minutes doesn't make it progressive...... or good. So, yeah, not pop exactly....... but about as interesting as some pop. |
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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Chords with vocals? Ha, you're funny, I like you.
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thehallway ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 13 2010 Location: Dorset, England Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
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err... thanks. |
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Earendil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 17 2008 Location: Indiana, USA Status: Offline Points: 1584 |
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McLaughlin is a better player, but Fripp is more original (not that McLaughlin isn't).
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progprogprog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 05 2011 Status: Offline Points: 279 |
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It will make Apollo so angry man, just saying. p.s Apollo: The god of music, healing, plague, prophecies, poetry, and archery; associated with light, truth and the sun
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Always thinking in extremes.That's my way to beat boredom.
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progprogprog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 05 2011 Status: Offline Points: 279 |
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That's just absurd.It weren't innovative if they mimicked previous bands which isn't true. Maybe you should define this two words: 1.pop 2.innovation However you're somehow right about the lyric. p.s As you're in PA for a long time, you've certainly said that before so it may be repetitive for you, why don't you just tell the gist of your thoughts to explain how do you really see prog and what do you expect from a prog song? ![]() Edited by progprogprog - January 27 2012 at 05:02 |
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 17915 |
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what
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 7485 |
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Side 1 of Foxtrot is by and large pop, in terms of structure. Which is fine if you pretend Supper's Ready doesn't exist. But Dancing with the moonlit knight is not pop by any stretch of imagination nor are Musical Box or Fountain of Salmacis.
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Lark the Starless ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 15 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 1896 |
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Damn.
I think Fripp takes it. Barely. |
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spknoevl ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 14 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Status: Offline Points: 296 |
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Two great guitarists who come to music from different directions while probably having a similiar goal. KC were jazz-influenced rock musicians who played music heavily influenced by 20th century classical composers and who were heavy on group improvisation. MO were rock-influenced jazz musicians who played music heavily influenced by 20th century classical composers and who were heavy on individual improvisation.
And how can anyone say Johnny Mac isn't as a good composer as Fripp after hearing Birds of Fire or Apocalypse?
Both men broke down musicial barriers and changed our perceptions of what a guitar player should sound like.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Pop in terms of stucture? What tosh. Why is it not rock in terms of structure? This whole argument is frustrating.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 7485 |
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Hardly any difference in terms of structure between pop and rock (i.e. not prog) anyway. But in either case, not progressive in terms of structure, if I might put it that way instead. |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I'd rather you did...or say "simple song structure" But I disagree either way.
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