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    Posted: February 10 2012 at 12:16
Originally posted by luc4fun

In spite I am italian, I love the curent Swedish prog scene (Flower Kings, ACT,Moon Safari, Simon Says,Seventh Wonder) but I doubt most of them will be remembered in 20 years as PFM,Banco,Orme, doCry


I doubt that. TFK and Moon Safari will surely be remembered (and may still be active) in 20 years. They are the most popular of the ones you mentioned.
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I don't know a whole lot about the Italian scene because it is not really my cup of tea so I am not going to say which scene is more fruitful. I am more familiar with the Swedish scene and with bands like Pain of Salvation and Opeth reaching wider audiences than prog, its very possible that the Swedish scene is more popular than the Italian scene.  Opeth are on one of the biggest American  rock record labels, Roadrunner, so they can certainly draw in the numbers.
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I'd say the modern Swedish scene is a bit more accessible than the traditional RPI scene, which is a lot more arty and experimental. 

I don't know anything about either scene, really, but I know I prefer RPI and I think that scene might not have been very influential but it definitely stands as being one of the more unique scenes in the history of progressive rock.
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Originally posted by luc4fun

In spite I am italian, I love the curent Swedish prog scene (Flower Kings, ACT,Moon Safari, Simon Says,Seventh Wonder) but I doubt most of them will be remembered in 20 years as PFM,Banco,Orme, doCry


I doubt that. TFK and Moon Safari will surely be remembered (and may still be active) in 20 years. They are the most popular of the ones you mentioned.


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Originally posted by luc4fun

In spite I am italian, I love the curent Swedish prog scene (Flower Kings, ACT,Moon Safari, Simon Says,Seventh Wonder) but I doubt most of them will be remembered in 20 years as PFM,Banco,Orme, doCry


I doubt that. TFK and Moon Safari will surely be remembered (and may still be active) in 20 years. They are the most popular of the ones you mentioned.


Really?


Yea, why not?

I didn't live through the 70s or much of the 80s, but based on what Ive read on these pages for the last 7 years, it's that many bands from the 70s were 'forgotten', and then when the internet boom happened this past decade, their popularity grew back a lot. With the internet not going anywhere, I'm sure those 2 bands will still be remembered. I know The Flower Kings were considered the 2nd most popular modern prog band, just behind Dream Theater, at some point (Porcupine Tree took that spot it seems).
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Originally posted by darkshade

Originally posted by luc4fun

In spite I am italian, I love the curent Swedish prog scene (Flower Kings, ACT,Moon Safari, Simon Says,Seventh Wonder) but I doubt most of them will be remembered in 20 years as PFM,Banco,Orme, doCry


I doubt that. TFK and Moon Safari will surely be remembered (and may still be active) in 20 years. They are the most popular of the ones you mentioned.


While I doubt that Moon Safari will be remembered, I'm sure the Flower Kings will be.

Maybe that's just because I've been a fan of TFK for more than 10 years, and I've never cared at all for Moon Safari (even though there are similarities).

Then again, I suspect not many of the bands we love right now will be remembered in the long haul, but who knows?

I still say the Italian scene of the 70's was far more diverse, interesting, and even ground breaking than anything out of Sweden these days (and I say that as someone who loves a lot of what Sweden produces these days).
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Ok, so which scene(the Italian scene of the seventies or the current Swedish scene)do you think was more popular or more vibrant?
 
Going back to the original question . . .
 
Popular: I'd have to say Sweden, solely because of the metal bands.  Maybe just because of Opeth!
 
Vibrant: If by vibrant you mean producing many diverse bands, Italy wins hands down.  You wil never ever get to the bottom of the 70s RPI scene, as David explained above.
 
I personally vastly prefer 70s RPI, as much as I love the non-metal Swedish bands, especially Anekdoten, Anglagard, Landberk, and Sinkadus.  But that's a matter of taste, which cannot be debated.  Perhaps if I liked metal, I would be more inclined to enjoy the current Swedish scene as a whole.  But as it is, there are many Swedish bands I follow, but not the majority.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2012 at 17:05
Getting fashionably late back into the party....

I actually agree with much of what Caio said, and I must admit forgetting about the metal scene completely. Sorry dude. From Enslaved to Meshuggah there's been happening a lot.
I still believe there to be much farther between the spaces in RPI than what the evolution of Swedish metal has brought us. Again this is all subjective I guess...


Edit: Also, it has been pretty weird reading what I started out writing, when I think of the current Swedish semi marathon I' ve been doing ok it's about a lot of different eras, but still...
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I'd say it's pretty equal for me. I love bands like Anglagard, Anekdoten and Flower Kings but I also dearly love PFM, Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso and Le Orme. Today's Swedish scene is definitely more popular is this day of age. Opeth is the probably the reason for that. 
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The Swedish scene in the 70's is, in my opinion, so much better than today's. Although i'm a huge Opeth and Anekdoten fan. 


As for the Italian scene, well, it' has a special "genre" place in ProgArchives for a reason. 
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While not discussing the merits of one particular era over the other, when it comes to the 'popularity' debate, I think we need to be careful.   Today's prog movement thrives in no small part due to the availability and accessibility of the music on the internet.    Back in the 70s (and I'm old enough to roughly remember back then), exposure to eclectic music such as prog was hard enough as it is, let alone extending that exposure to a bunch of music across continents.  

What outlets were there in the 70s that would have allowed me, in the US, to experience some of these pretty obscure (and often quite amazing) bands from Sweden, Italy, Japan, Poland, or Chile... especially when many of those bands have little/no exposure in the markets of that country.

Today, via the internet, I have the opportunity of first hearing about a band that someone from Europe has heard locally, and then quite often, I can hear sound samples, see YouTube videos, or even download complete songs/albums without leaving the comfort of my chair.

This is, as I said, not arguing the merits of either period/area, but rather, that the accessibility of music, in general, has made music scenes like that of Sweden more 'popular', because the potential audience is much broader than it was in the 70s...
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Lately I'm digging the 'Shining' from Sweden; BMJPPR (Black Metal Jazz Post Prog Rock)... n' not a speck of cereal.
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Lazlander,
Jag tacker.
The instrumentations of Introitus' 'Elements' are so introitus; though I ear Renaissance Camelicious influence with Midus Moustrious vocalings.
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A Folk prog album very close in my oipinion from the RPI 70's scene.
 
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