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    Posted: January 26 2012 at 17:59
I don't know if this thing exists: symphonic prog (or eclectic prog, or folk prog, or even crossover, etc.) after the 70's with no influence of it.
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I think even if a group wasn't influenced by 70s prog you would hear it

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Maybe I wouldn't. It took me time to understand Iron Maiden was influenced by prog. It shows a bit but not much.

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Prog, I don't think you can find a band without a 70s influence. Progressive, yes there are quite a few.
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Find me some jazz or classical that wasn't influenced by what came before?  Can it really be prog without being influenced in the first place.  And if you can't answer your own question it is just a waste of time.  Cheers!!!


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Yeah, what if this new band who's gonna release an album in 2014, has never heard any 70s prog, but they have heard plenty of Porcupine Tree and Opeth.
 
They're not directly influenced by the 70s. They're prog. They're awesome progressive metal.
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Prog, I don't think you can find a band without a 70s influence. Progressive, yes there are quite a few.

Basically.  I tend to think of "prog" as 70's influenced by definition, but there are hundreds of progressive bands that have little in common with the 70's.
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Yeah take for example Opeth or The Mars Volta probably don't have a ton in common with 70s
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CCVP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2012 at 10:03
Originally posted by AlexDOM AlexDOM wrote:

Yeah take for example Opeth or The Mars Volta probably don't have a ton in common with 70s


They actually do have a ton of influences from bands of the 1970's, it is just that they aren't as obvious as the retro bands are.


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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I think even if a group wasn't influenced by 70s prog you would hear it
 
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Find me some jazz or classical that wasn't influenced by what came before.  Can it really be prog without being influenced in the first place.  And if you can't answer your own question it is just a waste of time.  Cheers!!!
 
A Mosh type answer ... yeah!
 
Not sure the fans are gonna like it, and Snow Dog is definitly not gonna like it ... !
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^ shut up.
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Originally posted by AlexDOM AlexDOM wrote:

Yeah take for example Opeth or The Mars Volta probably don't have a ton in common with 70s
To me, The Mars Volta sounds as 70's as you could possibly do in 2000's  
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Originally posted by The_Jester The_Jester wrote:

I don't know if this thing exists: symphonic prog (or eclectic prog, or folk prog, or even crossover, etc.) after the 70's with no influence of it.

Ever heard of... eh... what's the name... Ahh, now I got it: Radiohead. Smile Very progressive but couldn't care less of the 70's prog.
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^ I disagree. I hear influences all over the place.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ I disagree. I hear influences all over the place.


Same here.


Edited by CCVP - January 27 2012 at 13:56
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Originally posted by OT Räihälä OT Räihälä wrote:

Originally posted by The_Jester The_Jester wrote:

I don't know if this thing exists: symphonic prog (or eclectic prog, or folk prog, or even crossover, etc.) after the 70's with no influence of it.

Ever heard of... eh... what's the name... Ahh, now I got it: Radiohead. Smile Very progressive but couldn't care less of the 70's prog.

I agree. I've always regarded them as one of the most unique and innovative bands of the last couple decades. The only one I can think of right now, at least within the sub genres listed by the OP.
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A lot of post rock(which I consider prog for the most part)doesn't have any 70's influence(or very little if any at all). Lot's of prog metal(many of those bands seem to have a lot of 80's influences in their sound though). There's probably more than you think but as far as traditional symph prog goes it's pretty unlikely because at the very least 70's prog serves as the template for most epic or symphonic prog.

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ I disagree. I hear influences all over the place.

Ok. Name the five most obvious.
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