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    Posted: January 28 2012 at 17:23
Personal general culture doesn't mean anything (I could simply say that I want to be informed) and considering is:
 
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LOL I was actually curious to what you learned in relation to your opening post, but this counts for something as well I guess. 

Prog on - it's way past bed time over here.
Even prog is rooted in the blues, at some point...
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Everything is influenced by everything.
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Symphonic Prog - probably not what you are looking for but when these guys started out they didn't even know prog existed (they tought they were being innovative):



Avant - These guys sound really original to me (maybe there's some Zorn influence):





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Don Caballero? 
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Interesting question, and yes I think there should be examples were there is no direct influence, but if you look at the main influences, one or more of those may in turn have had a prog influence, you can't rule out the possibility.

How about "orchestral indie rock".
 
A Northern Chorus main influences is supposed to be Low, Mogwai, Mojave 3, Spirtualized, Sunny Day Real Estate. (and definitely Slowdive and Sigur Ros in my opinion).
 
It has symphonic ingriedients. But I thought, what if they were influwenced by Pink Floyd? Actually I don't think it's a direct influence. But I searched for PF + A Northern C and found a review with this quote
 
"Resonating with Pink Floyd's cold and swirling qualities, EITS's delicate textural layers, Godspeed's epic thrust and Sigur Rós's inexorable freeze, A Northern Chorus has turned out the record that Death Cab for Cutie might make after taking an online classical composition course and a near-fatal overdose of tranquilizer cocktails. "
 
Here is a fabulous song by this fabulous band. But apparently they don't hit home with everybody, maybe it's the vocals people have a problem with, or something, but because of their lack popularity and money they split up in 2007 or 2008 somewhere.
 
 
Of course it doesn't go by the name symphonic prog. But it is symphonic and progressive to my ears.
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Originally posted by The_Jester

(or eclectic prog, or folk prog, or even crossover, etc.) 
 
So you were looking for all kinds of prog, not just symphonic. Well, of course there is progressive music with no 70's prog influences. To say otherwise is to believe that prog is a sort of music that has reached it's limits, has stagnated and has been exhausted of everything there is to it. And that would be a contradiction to what the word progressive stands for. The mindset of wanting to explore musical sounds and expressions wasn't just a thing of the 70's.
 
It's just that the non-retro progressive music is not often officially being called progressive.
 
The only debatable thing is whether one sees any difference in the word "prog" and "progressive". I don't. It can be discussed, but lets not go there Smile
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Originally posted by Angelo

Noone said they couldn't, Mr. Lebowski. There's quite a bit of music out there that gets it right, without sounding too little or too much like something else - that's not the point here.

Why don't we talk about that music then?

People's suggestions in this very thread are being dismissed by others.


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Karnivool is the sort of prog with pretty much no 70s influence, very modern.
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More and more turns very hard  answer this question !
Because at the seventies, was the eruption of many excellent groups marking profoundly his proper style and since this wonderful times other groups later was inspirated by them  like a rounding circle!
How many times passing by and excellent bands appearanced after 70 's wich proper accent !
Everytimes later turns very hard a band create  his suy generis style .
And now, with the universal times we are living , mixing cultures and traditions on musical point of view!
So few groups , which their proper accent  flowriched !
To me, propably... Cranium Pie, and others ,depending the opinions of everyone ..


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Originally posted by wilmon91

Interesting question, and yes I think there should be examples were there is no direct influence, but if you look at the main influences, one or more of those may in turn have had a prog influence, you can't rule out the possibility.

How about "orchestral indie rock".
 
A Northern Chorus main influences is supposed to be Low, Mogwai, Mojave 3, Spirtualized, Sunny Day Real Estate. (and definitely Slowdive and Sigur Ros in my opinion).
 
It has symphonic ingriedients. But I thought, what if they were influwenced by Pink Floyd? Actually I don't think it's a direct influence. But I searched for PF + A Northern C and found a review with this quote
 
"Resonating with Pink Floyd's cold and swirling qualities, EITS's delicate textural layers, Godspeed's epic thrust and Sigur Rós's inexorable freeze, A Northern Chorus has turned out the record that Death Cab for Cutie might make after taking an online classical composition course and a near-fatal overdose of tranquilizer cocktails. "
 
Here is a fabulous song by this fabulous band. But apparently they don't hit home with everybody, maybe it's the vocals people have a problem with, or something, but because of their lack popularity and money they split up in 2007 or 2008 somewhere.
 
 
Of course it doesn't go by the name symphonic prog. But it is symphonic and progressive to my ears.
Sounds a TON like Valley of the Giants, (with members of GY!BE, Broken Social Scene, and Do Make Say Think) check them out you won't be dissapointed  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOEpFMo1Bs
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Originally posted by Proletariat

[Sounds a TON like Valley of the Giants, (with members of GY!BE, Broken Social Scene, and Do Make Say Think) check them out you won't be dissapointed  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOEpFMo1Bs
 
That was enjoyable, thanks! Hadn't heard of them, seems worth checking out.


Edited by wilmon91 - January 29 2012 at 19:13
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_house
How about this kinda prog?


On a more serious note, I would say Don Cab is a good choice.
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If you find music that you can't discern the influences for, you just haven't heard the influences (or enough of them).  That's my opinion on the subject, and I'm sticking to it (I can't tell you how many times I've heard stuff that was touted as ground breaking, unique and innovative, only to hear something from many years earlier that obviously influenced it).  The best artists are able to combine their influences with their own unique voice and create something new.  You can usually still discern the influences though, if you are really looking for them.
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Edited by OzzProg - January 30 2012 at 17:09
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The only thing that wasn't derivative was the big bang. Everything else since comes from something else. Even the band that you hold to be the most precious original thing ever is using ideas it heard from somewhere else. 70's prog was no different, it just used those influences for more expansive structures.
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Originally posted by thehallway

Originally posted by Angelo

Noone said they couldn't, Mr. Lebowski. There's quite a bit of music out there that gets it right, without sounding too little or too much like something else - that's not the point here.

Why don't we talk about that music then?

People's suggestions in this very thread are being dismissed by others.


I don't get your point. This thread is about music that is not influenced by 70's prog - if suggestions get dismissed it's because they ARE influenced by 70's prog. Whether or not the music 'gets it right' is a completely different discussion.
Even prog is rooted in the blues, at some point...
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Originally posted by The_Jester


I don't know if this thing exists: symphonic prog

after the 70's with no influence of it.



I'm going to go out on a limb and re-word the original question
in a way that I think the author most likely meant to ask it ...


Are there any rock bands that originated in the last 20 years or so
with primarily classical influence, technical virtuosity, and melodic vocals,
who don't overtly emulate any of the 1970s "greats" ?


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Originally posted by altaeria



Originally posted by The_Jester


I don't know if this thing exists: symphonic prog

after the 70's with no influence of it.



I'm going to go out on a limb and re-word the original question
in a way that I think the author most likely meant to ask it ...


Are there any rock bands that originated in the last 20 years or so
with primarily classical influence, technical virtuosity, and melodic vocals,
who don't overtly emulate any of the 1970s "greats" ?


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Nope.
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Overtly emulate?  Sure.  So what?  Is the music good or not?  Is the use of musical structures that have been done before automatically invalidate what they are doing?  All I really care about is whether or not I enjoy the music.  It's a totally subjective thing and you are being pretentious if you think it is otherwise.  You can try to categorize what is good and what is not and what is prog and not prog objectively but it is a fool's errand.


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