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    Posted: February 05 2012 at 14:33
Originally posted by OzzProg


I think they get a big influence from bands like Gentle Giants and King Crimson
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Originally posted by altaeria



Originally posted by The_Jester


I don't know if this thing exists: symphonic prog

after the 70's with no influence of it.



I'm going to go out on a limb and re-word the original question
in a way that I think the author most likely meant to ask it ...


Are there any rock bands that originated in the last 20 years or so
with primarily classical influence, technical virtuosity, and melodic vocals,
who don't overtly emulate any of the 1970s "greats" ?


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That's quite what I meant.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Slaughternalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2012 at 15:18
I don't hear a ton of 70s when I listen to Protest The Hero
I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Porcupine Tree maybe

actually any kind of prog genre, which is not sympho prog 

or in other words

any kind of music, based on the styles which were not exist in seventhies ( e.g. grunge, trash metal, techno/IDM/modern electronics )




Edited by awaken77 - February 06 2012 at 10:01
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Originally posted by The_Jester

I don't know if this thing exists: symphonic prog (or eclectic prog, or folk prog, or even crossover, etc.) after the 70's with no influence of it.
Hi Jester,
 
Dunno why you want non-70s influenced music.
 
All music:, complex poly-rhythms or simple pop have influences. the 70s artists were influenced by those who came before and that went back until the caveman, and the influence goes forward forever as well..  So it is impossible to avoid 70s or any other decade's influence.
 
In addition, why on earth would you avoid the 70s??.  That might have ben the pinacle of progression and learning
and creating in music, from super pop stars like Steve Miller to complex stuff like Brand X or King Crimson.
 
 
Cheers!
 
 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote The_Jester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2012 at 19:49
Originally posted by dennismoore

Originally posted by The_Jester

I don't know if this thing exists: symphonic prog (or eclectic prog, or folk prog, or even crossover, etc.) after the 70's with no influence of it.
Hi Jester,
 
Dunno why you want non-70s influenced music.
 
All music:, complex poly-rhythms or simple pop have influences. the 70s artists were influenced by those who came before and that went back until the caveman, and the influence goes forward forever as well..  So it is impossible to avoid 70s or any other decade's influence.
 
In addition, why on earth would you avoid the 70s??.  That might have ben the pinacle of progression and learning
and creating in music, from super pop stars like Steve Miller to complex stuff like Brand X or King Crimson.
 
 
Cheers!
 
 
Hi! I don't want to avoid the 70's I was only asking myself a question. I thought maybe I'll find a prog artist that wasn't influenced by prog after the 70's that's all. Exemple: a band wich do not know they do prog but someone tells them they are prog and they realize that they are without even knowing of the genre.
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Originally posted by awaken77

Porcupine Tree maybe

actually any kind of prog genre, which is not sympho prog 

or in other words

any kind of music, based on the styles which were not exist in seventhies ( e.g. grunge, trash metal, techno/IDM/modern electronics )



The Sky Moves Sideways takes influence from Pink Floyd. Porcupine Tree are good example though because you can hear modern influences.

As people have said before, it would be incredibly hard to find modern prog that does not take influence from 70's prog because all music takes influence from music that came before it whether it is direct or indirect.  With that said, Pain of Salvation are good examples of being modern and original.(Except for Road Salt One and Two for obvious reasons).   They tend not to make their influences obvious in their music and they take more modern influence.  Riverside, too, do not take huge influence from the 70's, except for the occasional Pink Floyd inspired moments.  Anno Domini High Definition takes more a prog metal and trance influence.  


Edited by Garden of Dreams - February 14 2012 at 19:38
Just give it all an hour by the concrete lake.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote infandous Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2012 at 08:29
Maybe it's just me, but I find Deluge Grandeur to be a very original sounding symphonic band.  Sure, they have their 70's influences, but they are integrated in a way that makes it nearly impossible for me to point to anywhere where they sound like some 70's prog band (the big names, at least).  There is also an interesting Zeuhl influence to be found in their music as well, though again, it's not dominant and can't really be pointed to as tribute or copy at all.

Anyway, just one I thought of, others may well disagree.
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Originally posted by The_Jester
Exemple: a band wich do not know they do prog but someone tells them they are prog and they realize that they are without even knowing of the genre.[/QUOTE


 
Ok, fair enough about the 70's prog.
 
I don't think your above scenario could exist, since all bands cre
 
Ok, fair enough about the 70's prog.
 
I don't think your above scenario could exist, since all bands create from their influences, no artist produces from a vacumn. There is no logical way a band could sound proggy a la Rush or Gentle Giant, without knowing that music and just creating from random writing & jamming.
 
So could Justin Bieber release a record that sounds progressive just by coincidence?  I doubt that would be possible.
 
Smile
 
 


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Unexpect maybe?



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A very healthy concept, but the way music is today, totally doomed to failure.
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Originally posted by DiamondDog

A very healthy concept, but the way music is today, totally doomed to failure.

Excuse me? Explain that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOmbzATOcnM
 
Jane Siberry's "The Walking" (1988) sounds very special. Highly original.


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i'll have to say orphaned land no 70's in sight , what a great band!!


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Check out finnish progressive rock/metal band Nauticus. There is similarity to modern bands like Tool, Isis, Mastodon and IntrOnaut but there is also lot's of 70's prog rock (King Crimson) influences which can be heard. The new album "The Wait" was released about two weeks ago and three of the songs can be heard from their bandcamp-page.

 
"The Wait" is a seven song concept album with eight tracks on it, that was furiously written, composed, practiced and recorded within a period of two and a half years. An apocalyptic lyrical theme flows through an hour of experimental, psychedelic and visionary landscape of rock, metal and alternative. From the beginning the objective has been to make music that will stand the test of time and an album that takes the listener to a complete journey through out the whole release, not something you listen song by song on shuffle with your MP3-player. The band feels there is no need for over the top individual musical showmanship, as the aim is to bring forth a strong vision as a single unit.

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Greylevel: Hypostatic Union (Canada-2011).
For me, this is modern progressive music as its best.





 
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I went back to the original post and I'm thinking: what the hell do you want?  Stuff that sounds like it but came up with it independently?  Stuff that doesn't sound anything like it?  Maybe you just don't like prog.  
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Originally posted by The Miracle

Originally posted by OT Räihälä

Originally posted by The_Jester

I don't know if this thing exists: symphonic prog (or eclectic prog, or folk prog, or even crossover, etc.) after the 70's with no influence of it.

Ever heard of... eh... what's the name... Ahh, now I got it: Radiohead. Smile Very progressive but couldn't care less of the 70's prog.

I agree. I've always regarded them as one of the most unique and innovative bands of the last couple decades. The only one I can think of right now, at least within the sub genres listed by the OP.
 

Originally posted by The Jester

Radiohead is a really great answer! And I didn't mean prog with no influences I meant with no influence of old prog. And any band who are influenced by modern prog are good answers too since it's not a direct link.

Oh please,  Radiohead was compared with PINK FLOYD and some said that this band was the new Pink Floyd

Starting with David Cavanagh  in his review of OK Computer in Q, 130, compares directly the band with Pink Floyd.

But also

Critics have interpreted undertones of political dissatisfaction in the music and lyrics on OK Computer, and have compared their statements to those of earlier rock bands. David Stubbs said that, where punk rock had been a rebellion against a time of deficit and poverty, OK Computerprotested the "mechanistic convenience" of contemporary surplus and excess.[141] Alex Ross said the album "pictured the onslaught of the information age and a young person's panicky embrace of it" and made the band into "the poster boys for a certain kind of knowing alienation—as Talking Heads and R.E.M. had been before."[31] Jon Pareles of The New York Times found precedents in Radiohead's concerns "about a culture of numbness, building docile workers and enforced by self-help regimes and anti-depressants" in the work of Pink Floyd and Madness.[142] The band's distaste with the commercialized promotion of OK Computer reinforced their anti-capitalist political viewpoint, which would be further explored on their subsequent releases.[143]

The song’s a highlight of “The King of Limbs” -- the new album by Yorke’s band Radiohead -- that’s a collection of fragile charm, skewed dance beats and Pink Floyd-style trips.
www.bloomberg.com/.../radiohead-s-trippy-return-rivals-pink-floyd-...


Radiohead were one of the few alternative bands of the early '90s to draw heavily from the grandiose arena rock that characterized U2's early albums. But the band internalized that epic sweep, turning it inside out to tell tortured, twisted tales of angst and alienation. Vocalist Thom Yorke's pained lyrics were brought to life by the group's three-guitar attack, which relied on texture -- borrowing as much from My Bloody Valentine and Pink Floyd as R.E.M. and Pixies

Allmusic

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OK ComputerRadiohead Crossover Prog

Review by rogerthat

5 stars Popular reviewer George Starostin said that Pink Floyd's greatest legacy lay in the way they presented their music and not so much in brilliance purely from a melodic or harmonic standpoint. It is not surprising that Radiohead are sometimes called the modern day Pink Floyd because their greatest strength too lies in the way they present their songs and not necessarily always the melodic/harmonic substance (though they can have their bright moments in that respect too). The way their songs are built and paced is what they draw their identity from. Their overall songcraft is what establishes in the view of some, including yours truly, a few degrees of separation between them and most popular rock acts of the 90s, including prog oriented groups like Opeth or Dream Theater. And, like Pink Floyd, they also invest a lot of effort in carefully producing the album to the end of extracting the most value from the studio album format.
The first indication of Radiohead's greatness is when I attempt to describe their style on this album. It defies quick and precise classification. I could loosely describe it as Pink Floyd updated for the 90s but that would not capture the exact nature of the music. Pink Floyd influences are most evident on Exit Music (For a Film) and Lucky but Karma Police has much more to do with the Beatles. The chords on the chorus even resemble Sexy Sadie, no less! And does Airbag already evoke the Krautrock elements that would be more dominant on Kid A?

Review by FloydWright PROG REVIEWER
4 stars Before I go further, I want to say that I do consider RADIOHEAD prog in the overall view. While I despise the "next Pink Floyd" comparisons I used to hear, I do think that's the element the two bands have in common.

Review by loserboy PROG REVIEWER Honorary Reviewer
5 stars Several years ago I was introduced to RADIOHEAD's debut album and thought they were excellent. "OK Computer" marks a big bold step for RADIOHEAD blending all of the right elements into a magnificent work of art. "Ok Computer" draws on elements from PINK FLOYD to PORCUPINE TREE to U2 all wrapped in a 90's psychedelia





And I can follow for hours

So apparently they are not only influenced by an old Prog band, but by the oldest of the big 6 Prog bands.

Iván


Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 26 2012 at 11:01
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