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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2012 at 15:20
Anyone have a favorite live version of Starless?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2012 at 18:40
Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Anyone have a favorite live version of Starless?

I got to see Anekdoten play it at a prog festival in Baltimore, around the time of their 1st album.  My friend got to join them onstage and play the sax parts.  That was my favorite because I got to see it in person (and they totally nailed it too).  And because my friend and I had discussed it all with the band beforehand, I was the only one in the audience who knew it was coming (as an encore).  I got to totally mess with the head of the drooling prog fanatic sitting behind me ("Oh my god... I wonder what they'll do for an encore??  Maybe.... dare I say it... STARLESS??? Would that not be the best??")


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2012 at 18:48
I try not to toot my own horn here, but I think I've nailed it on this one, so feel free to read my review. It is a swan song, an elegy, and a celebration of KC all in one piece. It's a fine song in its own right, but if one listens to it as a history of sorts, it becomes magic. Maybe I'm delusional and just read all of these things into the song, but I doubt it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2012 at 18:57
I like "Starless" more and more each time I hear it.  I do think the beginning section (with the Mellotron and that soft lead guitar) is one of King Crimson's finest moments.  The vocals are the best on the album.  The dissonant bit jars the experience for me, and I think it could have been composed a bit smoother, particularly at the climax.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2012 at 18:59
I'm one of the many who find the entire piece magical.

The mid section is ominous and full of power.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2012 at 19:01
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

I hope Starless will win the 1975 best track.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2012 at 19:55
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

It achieves something that is extremely rare, IMO, and that is utilising an almost monotone passage to build a tension that you could cut the air with. The musicianship is exceptional, and it exemplifies, to me, that spirit of the era, in that the band were completely unafraid to experiment to produce something special.

However, the clincher for me is that mellotron solo at the close, the finest use of that particular instrument ever laid down on record. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2012 at 22:07
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Starless is pulling way ahead in this poll 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84772&PN=1 and I suspect it will win the final easily. People here seem to love it. Can anyone explain what it is about this piece that is so great? I really don't get it. Maybe there is some aspect of it I am missing? What do each of you personally like about it?


Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I don't like saxophone



Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Anyone have a favorite live version of Starless?



As a matter of fact, it also took me several listens to like this song... at first it was just plain boring... and then messy, but once I got the main melody, it was all pleasure. However, when I first heard this song, I heard it on a live version, and later on, when I got to hear it on it's studio version (note I say "studio version" and not "original version", for actually this song was originally played live, and then came the studio version), I found it rather disapointing, mainly because I got used to the live version, and so I feel like the main melody was made to be played with the violin, not guitar; and also because I felt the closing section was rather weak in studio compared with the live one. If you don't like saxophone, Snow Dog, then you may just as well like the live versions better, for they include violin, and don't have any sax.
Now, the live version I have liked the most, by far, is the one included on "Collectible King Crimson, Vol 1, CD 1 - Live in Mainz. Now, I made a poll about this song studio vs live, and found out that studio beat live by a long margin... some of the main complaints about the live version were that the "improv" section was too messy on the live versions, and better structured on the studio one; and also that the final climax was too weak on the live versions compared with the studio one. Now, thinking about it, I may agree with this two statements... in most of the live versions, however, on the particular live version I said I liked best, this things are not true, the improv part is perhaps even better than the studio one, much better than the other live ones, and I personally like the "crazier" part better played with violin than sax. And the climax is for me so much stronger, played with electric guitar instead of sax... once again, in the other live versions it indeed sounds weaker than on the studio one, but not the Live in Mainz one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2012 at 01:14
I fell in love with Bruford's GENIUS phrasing of the 13/8 build up at the end. The different ways he builds up tension rhythmically gives me chills every timeClap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2012 at 03:00
Best build-up of all time. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2012 at 05:30
Fripp's dissonant guitar passage in the middle contrasts brilliantly with the largely 'tonal' music in the rest of the track.  That it even fits so intuitively is a miracle. The early portion with the languid saxophone and Wetton's mournful vocals is nothing special per se but when that gives way to the tension that Fripp subsequently builds up, it's just incredible.  I also love how the re-iteration at the end sounds so powerful, one of the most satisfying conclusions I have heard in a longish rock track. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2012 at 05:33
Once again. Thank you for all the comments. It has given me more insight. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2012 at 01:32
Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Anyone have a favorite live version of Starless?
Progfest 97 - John Wetton Band (inc Martin Orford of IQ on keyboards)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2012 at 04:30
people are sad and angry, thats why
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2012 at 18:48
Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

people are sad and angry, thats why


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2012 at 01:42
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

people are sad and angry, thats why


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''pot'' and ''kettle'' were the first words that popped into my head when I read his post
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2012 at 03:17
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

people are sad and angry, thats why


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''pot'' and ''kettle'' were the first words that popped into my head when I read his post

Perhaps he posted in the wrong thread. It can happen I suppose.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2012 at 13:19
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

people are sad and angry, thats why


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''pot'' and ''kettle'' were the first words that popped into my head when I read his post

Perhaps he posted in the wrong thread. It can happen I suppose.
I meant the sadness quality of the song makes it more popular compare to other KC songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2012 at 14:16
First when I thought of your question I remembered it as a good song, though not great. But then I remembered the sax in the beginning, and Fripp's eerie guitar playing toward the loud section, and then the actual loud part, which is just so tremendous. So wow, I really love that song. I just find it builds up so well into the climax and the when they finally play the melody again in the end with the wailing sax all the intensity it's just awe-inspiring.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2012 at 17:04
Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by progprogprog progprogprog wrote:

people are sad and angry, thats why


???
 
 
''pot'' and ''kettle'' were the first words that popped into my head when I read his post

Perhaps he posted in the wrong thread. It can happen I suppose.
I meant the sadness quality of the song makes it more popular compare to other KC songs.
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