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1969/2011 Crimsons or Der Graaf !

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Poll Question: KC or VDGG in their 69/12 discography
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    Posted: February 19 2012 at 00:05
VdGG is my favourite band, so that.
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I like some of the tracks on some of the KC albums a lot, but would rather play a VdGG album all the way through.
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VDGG it is
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hercules Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2012 at 17:37
Originally posted by Horizons

Originally posted by PabstRibbon

Every KC are at least very great, I was listening to Beat yesterday, Wow what an album

Very good indeed. Much better than any ELP rubbish. 




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I'm not a huge ELP fan, but Emerson Lake & Palmer and Trilogy are both far better than any KC album.
 
Greg Lake knew exactly what he was doing when he jumped ship.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bucka001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2012 at 14:08
VdGG is my fave band, but Crimson is a pretty incredible institution. At the time of their early 80's reunion, I loved those three albums with the RF/BB/TL/AB lineup, and saw them live. Now, there's just something annoying to me about Adrian Belew's vox, they're just too self-consciously clever (sort of like David Byrne, who I do respect but am annoyed by at times). I never thought I'd say that about Elephant Talk (for instance) as it was one of the coolest tracks I'd ever heard at the time. Now, the vox kill it for me.
 
In fact, while Hammill's later vox (from about '75-on) hinder some people's enjoyment of VdGG's music, it's those very metal-like harsh vocals which push VdGG into the stratosphere for me. What balls; their music separates the men from the boys. Even on the metal-like Crimson albums I love (Larks, Starless, Red), they're just lacking a killer vocalist (Wetton was too reserved, he just didn't 'go for it' the way a guy like Hammill does) and Hammill's vox would have turned those Crim albums into prog-metal masterpieces.
 
So, VdGG for me, although I certainly respect and love some Crimson.
 
For a great idea of what these two institutions might sound like if they had merged, try "Disengage" from Fripp's Exposure album, It's that Red-era type of metal, but with Hammill's insane dementoid-metal vocals over the top (singing in a way that no Crimson vocalist ever could). Brilliant. Also, Tonk from the David Cross solo album has Crimson alumni Cross and Fripp with Hammill's great vox. Again, brilliant stuff.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote lazland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2012 at 14:11
A lot depends on my mood and taste at the time. Now, I would probably go for Crimson, but that can change.

What I will say is that I really have to be in the right mood to listen to either, and that can be a long time apart.


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VdGG is without any doubt my favorite band, and I think they were alot more consistent than KC. However, there are few albums that can match the perfection of Islands for me. But one perfect album can't compete against all the amazing albums VdGG has given to us.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Horizons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2012 at 15:32
Originally posted by Hercules

Originally posted by Horizons

Originally posted by PabstRibbon

Every KC are at least very great, I was listening to Beat yesterday, Wow what an album

Very good indeed. Much better than any ELP rubbish. 




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I'm not a huge ELP fan, but Emerson Lake & Palmer and Trilogy are both far better than any KC album.
 
Greg Lake knew exactly what he was doing when he jumped ship.

I think you just dislike KC then.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Bearded Bard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2012 at 18:13
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Post Options Post Options   Quote King Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2012 at 01:40
For me definetly VdGG. Although they released some albums that where not that great they are more or less my favourite band. Pawn Heart, Godbluff, Still Life, and  H to He are masterpiece I enjoy since years over and over again. KC, although I tried listening over and over to their aclaimed albums, never gripped me in any way. There is something to their sound, their arrangemenst that turns me completely off.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2012 at 05:36
I'll vote for Crimson, as their overall output has been more varied over the years, but both bands are superb in their own right. both have produced albums in my top 10 of all time (Red & Still Life)
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Van Der Graaf could be inventive and interesting. But nothing they've done gets anywhere near that first Crimson album.
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