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Trick of the lamb ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 06 2012 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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Just wondering...
Am I the only guy here who thinks that Mayhew's drumming on Trespass is actually on par with the other members? Basically every second review of Trespass says that his drumming ruined the album. I think that, considering the structure and arrangements of the songs themselves, he did a fine job. What do you think?
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Slartibartfast ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 28097 |
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It's hard being the shadow of Phil Collins. His drumming didn't ruin the album for me.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: A Land Mass Status: Offline Points: 9076 |
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I think he's a very fine drummer but unfortunately, like most of the early Genesis albums, the detail of each members individual contribution is hidden beneath the fog of some pretty dire production.
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Trick of the lamb ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 06 2012 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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I agree with you. Collins is far better drummer then him, but I still think there is some exaggerated criticism over his drumming.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: A Land Mass Status: Offline Points: 9076 |
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Yep, Collins is probably a superior technician but the italicised does not a moving performance make (on its own)
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rupert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 610 |
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I like the album and I like the drumming.
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Dolly Parton Status: Offline Points: 20566 |
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I know people who count it as the best Genesis release. Our dear pomodoro pal Jim from the Italian quarters wrote a fantastic 5 star review of it not too long ago.
It's been a while since I heard it last, but speaking as a drummer I don't recollect anything from it that would diminish the rest of the album though. Maybe I should give Genesis a spin one of these days... |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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I think John Mayhew may have suffered the wrath of Tony Banks.....when actually he didn't do any worse than B.J. Wilson or any other drummer who is asked to play "Visions of Angels". I mean what on earth are you suppose to do with a song like that? You don't want to play during the verse....but when you do ...what are you suppose to play? Play a straight beat or a straight beat with fills?...which was what Mayhew did. There was nothing wrong with the way Mayhew played "The Knife" unless he was the type of drummer who had technique but lacked in the area of power.....which Collins had force that only he controlled. He had power on "Return of the Giant Hogweed" Did you ever work with a drummer who could play a buzz roll, a round house, a jazz beat etc....but had no ability to give a "punch" to their playing or the band they were playing with? Maybe that was his deal or perhaps Banks was just being himself as usual. Or maybe when Rutherford attempted to accent bass notes ...he may have expected a tightness or a "lock it in the pocket" sound within the songs of Trespass and maybe Mayhew was not giving him that option.
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Trick of the lamb ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 06 2012 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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A great review! He explained it perfectly. Just what I was trying to point out here.
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His drumming doesn't ruin the album
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 13360 |
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The strength of Trespass is the songs. It's a great album, made by a very young band, still forging their identity. No member played badly, but equally no member will win any award for blistering, technically perfect playing either.
Collins is obviously a better drummer, that's barely worth debating, but in no way does John Mayhews drumming ruin that album. |
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Trick of the lamb ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 06 2012 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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Well, I'm glad we all share the same opinion.
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Thank you guys, very generous words indeed. Nice to see others enjoy his playing too, when I read reviews about his drumming wrecking the album, it amazes me. |
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akamaisondufromage ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 16 2009 Location: Blighty Status: Offline Points: 6797 |
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I have never noticed so it has certainly not ruined the album for me.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 8700 |
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To be fair to the others, he did not go because "his drumming ruined the album".
When Ant Phillips left, and they wanted to recruit a new guitarist, all felt that they needed a better drummer to take the band forward, given that all were committed to making Genesis work on a full time basis. They most certainly did get a better drummer.
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Trick of the lamb ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 06 2012 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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I understand that perfectly. I'm just saying that for me, there's nothing wrong in his playing on Trespass, and a lot of people have been implying the opposite.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Status: Offline Points: 13521 |
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exactly... Too many people compare it with future gen albums... Mayhew's drumming is apt... doesn't magnify the music as Collins' would in later albums... If you don't notice the drumming in a song, it's definitely not ruining it.... if you do notice it, then there is a chance that it's either excellent .... or awful.... and it's neither in Trespass |
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Remember I liked this album most from the complete quality & atmosphere perspectives, though few next records have great moments too.
Peeked what I wrote myself: "This is my personal favorite GENESIS album, and also their only LP which I still listen quite frequently. It doesn't even have Phil Collins on drums yet, which may make it musically little different than their later albums, where his influence began (sadly) to grow." Gotta go now............ ![]() |
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Trespass is very much different from other Genesis albums. It has a certain, unique atmosphere and the feeling of a young band trying to find themselves. I think John Mayhew is an excellent drummer, obviously not in the same vein as Phil, but he is still a great drummer. Phil brought a much more dynamic and creative approach to drumming and the band.
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I'm thinking we should say ... "was". I much prefer the drumming he did in almost all his side things and work. The stuff he did with Eno is very good, the stuff on Brand X is very nice ... and the early Genesis stuff is ... beyond discussion, up to the live album and "Los Endos" ... I kinda think that Genesis lost a magnificent drummer, that was helping the music a lot, when he started singing full time ... I would think that it is not easy and probably impossible to do all that singing and drumming at the same time.
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