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Zombywoof 
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 Topic: Prog used in the classroom!
Posted: March 07 2012 at 15:42 |
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Hey, I don't know if this counts, but my Electronic Music Ensemble is covering "Shine on You Crazy Diamond"...
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moshkito
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 10:43 |
 Epignosis wrote:
I've tried to incorporate progressive rock in my classes, but it's largely a matter of pearls before swine. |
Good gracious ... you must be talking about this board, or something?
It is a tough matter all around. I left the world of the academic BS because of my family's high standing in the literary world, and the ultimate garbage ... that their poop don't stink. I have fun with you guys here, because sometimes the attitude towards the definition and the work is so similar ... I want to put on film for fun, some of the "intelectual conversations" about Fellini, or Antonioni, or ... Bunuel that I was privy to ... but folks here can not relate to "art" too well, or at least to something different than the 4 chords they know ... and that Minor is sad and Major is Happy! So I tend to play devil's advocate at times ... but I learned a long time ago that if you're casting pearls before swine, that taking a long look at the mirror tells me one of the lines I love the most in the movies ... who's the greater fool? ... think about it!
But you ought to hear the conversation about the kid taking a pee in the Fellini film ... it's so surrealistic that it makes Bunuel and Dali look like total idiots and they invented the mode! And in the end, no one discussed the little kid ... who just needed to take a pee! ... how about ditching the reality in the middle of it all?
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Posted: March 03 2012 at 17:11 |
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I've tried to incorporate progressive rock in my classes, but it's largely a matter of pearls before swine.
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Posted: March 03 2012 at 16:56 |
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VDGG sounds too off the track.
Hit them with something catchier.
In my experience, college students are more fun that way.
Try UK or something
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Posted: February 28 2012 at 14:28 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Live Snakes and Arrows (amazing song telling fans the stage is not all its cracked up to be)
during their Snakes & Arrows Tour. Recorded live at the Ahoy Arena in Rotterdam, Netherlands
(Holland) on October 16/17, 2007... with the use of 21 high definition cameras. Complete with
dinosaurs, barbie dolls, and roast rotisserie chicken
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I was there 
And congratulations for spreading the Prog word to your students !
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Posted: February 28 2012 at 13:20 |
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Yes!!! My big chance has come! the school where I work is planning a nonformal education day in which the teachers can set up workshops for various educational purposes... I volunteered to set up a music workshop. Of course the material needs to be reasonably accessible and I will inevitably have to make some compromises and have some more commercial stuff. Also the lyrics need to be meaningful, accessible and provide a basis for class discussion. The students are aged 11 to 18 and their native language isn't English, though their grasp of English is good, the idea is that it will encourage them to learn English through music. Also it would have to be available from legal sources such as YouTube or MySpace... any suggestions?
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http://www.last.fm/group/Progressive+Folk
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moshkito
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Posted: February 28 2012 at 08:51 |
sagichim wrote:
about 10 years ago i was studying to be a recording engineer , it was a 2 year course , in one of our lessons we had to play some music we were influenced by , i can't remember what i had on , but there was another guy that played 'mahavishnu orchestra' - one word out of the 'birds of fire' album , the whole 10 minutes.
i felt like someone punched my face , i wasn't familiar with them that time.
i think i played frank zappa..
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Great example ... of how much music is out there that we are not aware of ... and how our ears could use being better tuned to listen to different things ... and enjoy them!
This is the hardest thing to teach in school in any of the arts classes, and sometimes not something that the curriculum wants you to mention or discuss a whole lot because it ends up being a dead-end discussion many times with opinions getting in the way of the talk. And this is the hard part of talking progressive, when folks don't want to see/hear about the time and place that helped bring the music around.
I still think that most folks think that Woodstock is/was just an opportunity to get drunk and have fun ... ohh yeah ... it had some music ... and no one gave a gamn about it ... except Mosh that still talks about its importance. But I don't remember, even in my time, that many kids around me taking things seriously ... most of it were too worried about getting their first girl, or their first guy, or what not ... and the arts were not that big a deal ... but we knew who Jimi, Janis and Jim were and what they stood for. And yeah, we had issues during the Kent State shootings, but you have to remember that Madison has 50k students and it is quite liberal in the arts because of it. The high schools try to ignore it, and when they do the teachers get fired and rightly so! We had 2 principals dismissed during my time there ... and one dis-respected Dr Martin Luther King on the wrong day!
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Posted: February 28 2012 at 00:58 |
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about 10 years ago i was studying to be a recording engineer , it was a 2 year course , in one of our lessons we had to play some music we were influenced by , i can't remember what i had on , but there was another guy that played 'mahavishnu orchestra' - one word out of the 'birds of fire' album , the whole 10 minutes.
i felt like someone punched my face , i wasn't familiar with them that time.
i think i played frank zappa..
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Posted: February 27 2012 at 08:14 |
Zombywoof wrote:
octopus-4 wrote:
Zombywoof wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Zombywoof wrote:
I had an English teacher play "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" by Iron Maiden and print out the lyrics for the class, as we were studying Coolridge's epic poem that inspired it. Later, when we studied his "Kubla Khan", I brought in "Xanadu" ... she didn't play it! Later, I did a presentation on Prog Rock 1971 for my music tech class. I used colorful images and it was well received I got a good grade. |
Thats interesting cos at Uni a lady lecturer played Rime by Maiden as we were studying Coleridge - she did it at the half time break and it emptied the class! They wallked out one after another, I was the only one who stayed behind and sat thru the whole thing - so funny. |
We didn't get through the entire thing. Even the teacher hated it! I'm wondering, AtomicCrimsonRush, who is that in your profile picture? Looks like something from Star Trek, though I know it isn't.
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STAR TREK???? Absolutely NOT! She's the Lt Gay Ellis of Shado Moonbase, a Gerry Anderson production. |
I've never heard of this show! Guess it didn't get much attention in the US. I'm a huge Trek fan, though.
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It was totally British effectively. Intriguing but very poor from a scientific point of view with one of the worst soundtracks ever heard (only Space: 1999 of the same producer was worse than this).
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
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Zombywoof
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Posted: February 27 2012 at 08:12 |
octopus-4 wrote:
Zombywoof wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Zombywoof wrote:
I had an English teacher play "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" by Iron Maiden and print out the lyrics for the class, as we were studying Coolridge's epic poem that inspired it. Later, when we studied his "Kubla Khan", I brought in "Xanadu" ... she didn't play it! Later, I did a presentation on Prog Rock 1971 for my music tech class. I used colorful images and it was well received I got a good grade. |
Thats interesting cos at Uni a lady lecturer played Rime by Maiden as we were studying Coleridge - she did it at the half time break and it emptied the class! They wallked out one after another, I was the only one who stayed behind and sat thru the whole thing - so funny. |
We didn't get through the entire thing. Even the teacher hated it! I'm wondering, AtomicCrimsonRush, who is that in your profile picture? Looks like something from Star Trek, though I know it isn't.
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STAR TREK???? Absolutely NOT! She's the Lt Gay Ellis of Shado Moonbase, a Gerry Anderson production. |
I've never heard of this show! Guess it didn't get much attention in the US. I'm a huge Trek fan, though.
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Posted: February 27 2012 at 08:05 |
Zombywoof wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Zombywoof wrote:
I had an English teacher play "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" by Iron Maiden and print out the lyrics for the class, as we were studying Coolridge's epic poem that inspired it. Later, when we studied his "Kubla Khan", I brought in "Xanadu" ... she didn't play it! Later, I did a presentation on Prog Rock 1971 for my music tech class. I used colorful images and it was well received I got a good grade. |
Thats interesting cos at Uni a lady lecturer played Rime by Maiden as we were studying Coleridge - she did it at the half time break and it emptied the class! They wallked out one after another, I was the only one who stayed behind and sat thru the whole thing - so funny. |
We didn't get through the entire thing. Even the teacher hated it! I'm wondering, AtomicCrimsonRush, who is that in your profile picture? Looks like something from Star Trek, though I know it isn't.
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STAR TREK???? Absolutely NOT! She's the Lt Gay Ellis of Shado Moonbase, a Gerry Anderson production.
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
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Zombywoof
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Posted: February 27 2012 at 08:01 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Zombywoof wrote:
I had an English teacher play "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" by Iron Maiden and print out the lyrics for the class, as we were studying Coolridge's epic poem that inspired it. Later, when we studied his "Kubla Khan", I brought in "Xanadu" ... she didn't play it! Later, I did a presentation on Prog Rock 1971 for my music tech class. I used colorful images and it was well received I got a good grade. |
Thats interesting cos at Uni a lady lecturer played Rime by Maiden as we were studying Coleridge - she did it at the half time break and it emptied the class! They wallked out one after another, I was the only one who stayed behind and sat thru the whole thing - so funny. |
We didn't get through the entire thing. Even the teacher hated it! I'm wondering, AtomicCrimsonRush, who is that in your profile picture? Looks like something from Star Trek, though I know it isn't.
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Posted: February 27 2012 at 03:00 |
Matti wrote:
When I was thirteen or something, music teacher played Dark Side Of The Moon. That's probably the only time I heard progressive rock was played at a class room.
In "lukio" =high school? (aged 18) I once taped a morning opener (or how you call those few minutes long things you play at central radio) and played GENESIS' 'Los Endos' in it. I can imagine the yawns of all those not keen on instrumental artsy rock! 
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but then Dark Side of the Moon is sort of classic rock as status also, it is very likely that a course in rock history and music history that Pink Floyd and DSoTM will be mentioned, in the same breath as Srg Pepper, Pet Sounds, Bridge Over Troubled Waters, Bookends, Led Zeppelin IV, Night At the Opera etc, an album that SHOULD be in the curiculum is In Court of the Crimson King, which did what Srg Pepper did in 67 it wowed peuopl into thinking new, those albums should be at least talked of or showed a piece of music from it, title track or 21st Century schizoid Man,
i also remember Pink Floyd was talked about in class in the same breath as Beatles and Stones, the Who, Cream, and all those British Invasion bands
i was more into Motown and Stevie Wonder when i was in 8th grade and payed attention to music, Earth, Wind and Fire, Marivn Gay and Lionell Richie  .
my favourit english artists that were mentioned in music class was Cat Stevens, Elton John and David Bowie
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Posted: February 27 2012 at 02:19 |
moshkito wrote:
Ludjak wrote:
In high school I did a presentation on Krautrock, playing Faust (even some stuff from the debut), Can, Amon Düül II, Popol Vuh etc. My classmates seemed mostly interested until I put Brainticket's Cottonwoodhill on. |
Lovely ... and they ran away like cats and dogs when they heard the screaming girl go crazy ... if they ever got that far, right?
It was my contention and I did do a class that lasted 2 full days on the history of Gothic Literature, that went from 1750's (Radcliff and Walpole) all the way to the new stuff that Ann Rice was already putting out -- I had not read her work, but was already aware of her work. But that in the 70's the "occult" and "dark" side of things was actually better represented in music, although there were some movies that were coming out in Italy (Dario Argento) and both Hammer and Universal had never quit ... but their material was a re-hash of the old stuff ... Count Dracula was still Count Dracula ... Frankenstein was still Peter Cushing ... and Russ Meyer was having fun making fun of these with more ______________ ... and then we heard Goblin, White Noise, Plus, and many other bands, and their material was far more adventurous, so yeah, I added it to the class in a 20 minute version for folks to have an idea that ... it never stopped ... there never is history that does not exist ... and it is strictly a matter of us noticing it or not ... and that is the part that we need to help students with a lot better.
I love this thread and hope I have added to it ... and Atom' ... I am out of words and compliments already ... ! |
Thanks moshkito! I would love to follow up on the lesson by playing some more prog but we are moving onto other things now as the curriculum states we must. But now and then we will play some prog in the classroom.
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Posted: February 27 2012 at 02:16 |
Thats awesome - i wish I had students like you at that time.
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Posted: February 27 2012 at 02:15 |
Zombywoof wrote:
I had an English teacher play "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" by Iron Maiden and print out the lyrics for the class, as we were studying Coolridge's epic poem that inspired it. Later, when we studied his "Kubla Khan", I brought in "Xanadu" ... she didn't play it! Later, I did a presentation on Prog Rock 1971 for my music tech class. I used colorful images and it was well received I got a good grade. |
Thats interesting cos at Uni a lady lecturer played Rime by Maiden as we were studying Coleridge - she did it at the half time break and it emptied the class! They wallked out one after another, I was the only one who stayed behind and sat thru the whole thing - so funny.
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Posted: February 25 2012 at 19:06 |
 Get the Party started – pandemonium on stage!
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Posted: February 25 2012 at 08:04 |
When I was thirteen or something, music teacher played Dark Side Of The Moon. That's probably the only time I heard progressive rock was played at a class room. In "lukio" =high school? (aged 18) I once taped a morning opener (or how you call those few minutes long things you play at central radio) and played GENESIS' 'Los Endos' in it. I can imagine the yawns of all those not keen on instrumental artsy rock!
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Posted: February 24 2012 at 10:58 |
Ludjak wrote:
In high school I did a presentation on Krautrock, playing Faust (even some stuff from the debut), Can, Amon Düül II, Popol Vuh etc. My classmates seemed mostly interested until I put Brainticket's Cottonwoodhill on. |
Lovely ... and they ran away like cats and dogs when they heard the screaming girl go crazy ... if they ever got that far, right?
It was my contention and I did do a class that lasted 2 full days on the history of Gothic Literature, that went from 1750's (Radcliff and Walpole) all the way to the new stuff that Ann Rice was already putting out -- I had not read her work, but was already aware of her work. But that in the 70's the "occult" and "dark" side of things was actually better represented in music, although there were some movies that were coming out in Italy (Dario Argento) and both Hammer and Universal had never quit ... but their material was a re-hash of the old stuff ... Count Dracula was still Count Dracula ... Frankenstein was still Peter Cushing ... and Russ Meyer was having fun making fun of these with more ______________ ... and then we heard Goblin, White Noise, Plus, and many other bands, and their material was far more adventurous, so yeah, I added it to the class in a 20 minute version for folks to have an idea that ... it never stopped ... there never is history that does not exist ... and it is strictly a matter of us noticing it or not ... and that is the part that we need to help students with a lot better.
I love this thread and hope I have added to it ... and Atom' ... I am out of words and compliments already ... !
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Posted: February 24 2012 at 09:26 |
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In high school I did a presentation on Krautrock, playing Faust (even some stuff from the debut), Can, Amon Düül II, Popol Vuh etc. My classmates seemed mostly interested until I put Brainticket's Cottonwoodhill on.
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Prog used in the classroom!
I was completely suprised and excited. Most of the class didn't dig it, but my friend did. After that, me and my teacher got into a whole KC and Yes conversation. 