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    Posted: July 09 2005 at 13:29

The publishers of the UK monthly music magazines Q and Mojo are releasing a special edition on Progressive Rock titled "Pink Floyd and the Story of Prog Rock", which will include an in-depth story on Rush with a new interview with Geddy Lee. On newsstands July 14th, the special issue will be available as a Q Classic special edition in the UK and a Mojo Classic special edition overseas (including the US), and can be ordered online at Q or Mojo.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2005 at 16:47

Thanks Tony,

There is a thread on this at the mo somewhere, but its good to know.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2005 at 17:22

Thanks Tony!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 13:30
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

The publishers of the UK monthly music magazines Q and Mojo are releasing a special edition on Progressive Rock titled "Pink Floyd and the Story of Prog Rock", which will include an in-depth story on Rush with a new interview with Geddy Lee. On newsstands July 14th, the special issue will be available as a Q Classic special edition in the UK and a Mojo Classic special edition overseas (including the US), and can be ordered online at Q or Mojo.

 



Overseas to me means America, hopefully it also means the rest of Europe for you Britishmen.

Know anything if they are including a CD? (Stupid question since they never incude CDs in special issues but hope is the last thing that leaves you.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 19:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2005 at 00:32

I got it yesterday in the mail thanks to Mark... our friendly PA and Mojo staff member.  I understand that in the UK its under Q Classic.. but here in the States it will be published as Mojo Classic.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2005 at 15:05
I got this yesterday and it is an absolute must.  I usually dislike Q magazine, but they've done a great job on this one.  Top 40 prog albums, articles on ELP, King Crimson, Rush, VDGG, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine...and others.  Chats with the likes of Bill Bruford.  I don't have any prog books, so this is superb to have.  Does cost £5.99 though, but it is worth it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 12:14

Check out the credits on page 5:

In the "Special Thanks To" section it cites Progarchives.com !!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 14:31

Just picked it up today. It is indeed an excellent publication. Interesting that it's called Pink Floyd (big letters) and the story of prog rock (smaller letters). Presumably an indication of the perceived marketability of PF above other prog bands.

Great features though on many of the prog greats.. plus RadioheadLOL. For those who were around in the early 70's, there doesn't seem to be much we didn't already know, but younger members will learn a lot about the history of prog from it. 

A worthwhile purchase for everyone though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:54
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Check out the credits on page 5:


In the "Special Thanks To" section it
cites Progarchives.com !!!



Of course. If you let us bang on about our magazine on your
message boards, it seemed like the least we could do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2005 at 08:16
Originally posted by Q&Mojo Q&Mojo wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Check out the credits on page 5:


In the "Special Thanks To" section it
cites Progarchives.com !!!



Of course. If you let us bang on about our magazine on your
message boards, it seemed like the least we could do.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2005 at 17:26
Yeah, it's a great mag- had great fun applying all the supposedly useless info I'd accumulated about half forgotten proggers like Jonesy and Dr Z to the crossword!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2005 at 08:10
Just bought it at the weekend - a great read for any
prog fan.

My only quibble - reading the intro and seeing that it
was written by geriatric sixth former and long-time
prog hater Charles Shaar Murray. Why not get
someone who is actually receptive to the music to do
it.

The crossword competition was great fun Salmacis,
but don't enter - I want the Wakeman cape (and the
5CD Harvest box set)!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 09:29

FYI:

I indicate some of Q's more general treatment of the ususal suspects of prog in the New Prog Rock history book... thread, see http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8191&a mp;PN=1&TPN=2.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2005 at 18:27
Originally posted by Drachen Theaker Drachen Theaker wrote:

Just bought it at the weekend - a great read for any
prog fan.

My only quibble - reading the intro and seeing that it
was written by geriatric sixth former and long-time
prog hater Charles Shaar Murray. Why not get
someone who is actually receptive to the music to do
it.
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I've just finished reading this fairly useful  addition to prog publications, although it doesn't provide much new information or new revelations - check out the date tags in the smallest of print to some of the pieces. But for the new kids, I strongly recommend start here.

However, following on from DT's comments about Charles Shaar Murray  (btw he did write an excellent book on Hendrix in the late 80's), I checked out the authors for many of those articles and have to ask the question: " where the f*** have you been hiding yourselves over the last 25 years?" Through the 80's and 90's there has so few people prepared to say in public "I like like prog rock, and the likes of Peel have got it wrong". I know cos I've tried in my small way to promote prog and had allsorts of rubbish thrown back. The idiots telling me that rock with more than 3 chords is crap, the tag of 'dynosaur music' (hey Led Zeppelin and Rod Stewart were in the punk's originally list of rock dynosaurs, which only included Yes and ELP from prog rock), all that dire dj mix dance music, etc. And the printed media - Q and Wire in particular of the monthlies, the London Times of the dailies - taking long term and irregular snips at it (the latter publication more often as not, being unable to use the term 'prog rock'; and a Rod Liddell's attack on the crassness of Brand X's lyrics 18 months ago, demonstrating too many of these pundit had no clue about what they were writing about).   Thank goodness I had a campus radio station that have supported the music I've played for over 21 years, because they discovered the show got big listener figures, with one of the main reasons being "it wasn't what BBC Radio One played".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2005 at 08:03

Well spoken.

And as I have documented in the thread mentioned above, Q/Mojo seems at the moment about to rewrite History when inisisting that they have not met any criticisms for their condescending attitude to prog...

I think they finally may have come to understand that music magazines have pissed off thousands of readers in the last decade and are attempting to regain some of the market.

I gave up buying Q and Mojo regularely years ago, the few issues I have bought have made me write angry letters each time

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2005 at 08:31
Agree with all you've said bad1 and Dick.

I stopped taking Q seriously years ago (Mojo is a bit better). They gave rave reviews to people like Chris (Mr Somnambulance) Rea while trying to write off virtually the whole prog genre as some sort of musical aberration. I also remember them seriously arguing that Genesis' 80s output was vastly superior to the Gabriel era (I'm not a massive Genesis fan but even I could see the idiocy of that statement).

Suppose they're trying a further bit of historical revisionism now there finally seems to be a bit more acceptance towards prog ("we quite liked it all along really, it just occasionally got a bit pompous that's all.")

Anyway, prog on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 16:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2005 at 11:43
Originally posted by bad1 bad1 wrote:

Well spoken.


And as I have documented in the thread mentioned above,
Q/Mojo seems at the moment about to rewrite History when
inisisting that they have not met any criticisms for their
condescending attitude to prog...


I think they finally may have come to understand that music
magazines have pissed off thousands of readers in the last
decade and are attempting to regain some of the market.


I gave up buying Q and Mojo regularely years ago, the few
issues I have bought have made me write angry letters each
time


 


 


 



Nice to see this debate still runs and runs… I've been off work
for two and a half weeks … and come back to find that you
folks are still griping!

I'm afraid I can't recall every letter sent to Q magazine, even the
ones about prog rock. This isn't me "re-writing history"; just me
genuinely not remembering. As I stated in an earlier post: some
writers at Q and Mojo like progressive rock; some don't. But
those that did jumped at the chance to write about this music. In
reference to Dick Heath's earlier post: these writers haven't
been "hiding for the past 25 years"; they've all been writing
about popular music in its many shapes and forms.

No one's denying the raw deal prog rock has received in the
press (I'm afraid I missed Rod Liddle's jibe about Brand X's
lyrics… very funny), but this magazine wasn't some calculated
attempt at musical revisionism or us trying to re-gain
"thousands of readers" (to the best of my knowledge, there isn't
a mainstream music mag selling to thousands of readers and
tackling this stuff in any detail anywhere else, barring, at a
push, Classic Rock), but me pushing through an idea close to
my heart and finding a bunch of writers biting my arm off to write
about the music they like but rarely get the chance to sound off
about. Christ, I wish we were organised enough in the music
press to hatch all these grand plots/conspiracies.

Anyway, thanks as always to those who've bought the mag and
enjoyed it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2005 at 13:09

In
reference to Dick Heath's earlier post: these writers haven't
been "hiding for the past 25 years"; they've all been writing
about popular music in its many shapes and forms.

 

They may have been been writing about the many shapes and forms of music, but as for writing on the subject of progressive rock constructively, and/or pushing the rock magazine editors for copy space, this has not been evident with the majority.  I know Sid Smith and met with him after it was suggested he contact me in his researches, as one of the few who had kept my head above the parapet all this time, played the music on radio and not hidden in the closet. I've written too more often to the former editor of the Times Saturday Arts Supplement, because of their occasional anti-prog  reviews - he replied politely but.... Along with Sid Smith, I can only think of the handful of authors who have researched and written prog biographies and most of those in the last decade, who have kept the faith. Add to that list the likes of  Jon Newie, the present managing director and managing editor of Jazzwise,  who has been known to sneak in prog reviews into his magazine (btw he also did Q Collectibles jazz rock top 10 albums).

When once it was said any pop or rock group surviving more than 18 months,  went in and out of favour through a 7 years cycle, questions have to be asked why the music media has shown no tolerance for the genre since at least Marillion stopped getting hits? Or probably more likely the height of punk in the late 70's and the new generation of rock/pop writers, for instance those encouraged by NME. Q as opposed to Mojo have been guilty - Mojo was originally set up to parallel what the excellent Zig Zag magazine did in the 70's - good researched articles on an eclectic variety of musics.

However, I appreciate what Q/Mojo have produced here - I bought a copy (and in the local WHS). I now don't think they have jumped onto a band wagon, rather opened the door within the mainstream printed musical media, employing more than just a neutral level of enthusiasm for the subject. I've strongly  recommended  that the Prog Special  is a good written guide for any new boys/girls to prog who want something of the history,  putting the old and new into some context, providing details of important bands and the discography.  (BTW inclusion of Soft Machine did it for me - trust you guys at Q/Mojo review Graham Bennett's forthcoming biography of the band - but in passing, how old were the Mike Ratledge quotes??). Besides it doesn't pretend to be as academic as Rocking The Classic or as expensive!

 

 

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