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    Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:16

Hello, just a quick question for you, better informed guys. This (one of the first, if not first) epic song is composed of several parts. The last one is where my question is targeted - it is rocky variation on some familiar tune, like Ode to Joy, or God Save the Queen I think, but cannot correctly pinpoint it.

Is it the UK anthem or something only similarly sounding ?



And bonus question - do they on their other albums have other songs worth of such a deep love as I held this one ? You know, if they did just this, then well-known-from-radio Whiter Shade (a classic) and then nothing ?

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I think it is just similar to something.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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The Grand Finale music was inspired/plagiarised from Haydn Minuet from Piano Sonata No 26 in A major (and the band admit it) - having heard both pieces, I think it only broadly similar.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming

The Grand Finale music was inspired/plagiarised from Haydn Minuet from Piano Sonata No 26 in A major (and the band admit it) - having heard both pieces, I think it only broadly similar.

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Indeed ... still, the similarity with your hymn anthem is there. Any idea what band members (or writer/composer) said about

á that part ?


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I don't think it is very similar really.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Marty McFly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2012 at 05:37
Well, you know the original version of anthem far better than I do, my experience is mostly based on Queen's rendition :-) which, even rocky, isn't that much similar, OK.
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They also quote from Tchaikovsky's Hamlet Overture somewhere else in the piece (a chimes/clock motif I think) but as Snow Dog says, I can't hear any obvious quote from the UK National Anthem (which is a dirge anyway IMO Dead)
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There is a fleeting similarity on occasions. It's like it might become the national anthem but it doesn't. It's the correct notes but in the wrong order.
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Again, exactly! Both of you are right, I just wasn't able to summarize my thoughts on this subject. Great brainstorming guys.


Ahem, I was trying to search through almighty youtube, but no signs of this special sonata. There are others A - something and of course, other numbers, some of them in A major as well, but right this one ? No chance.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2012 at 10:16
you might be interested in this song
if you like storys about trees this migh be of your interest, a deep tree story rooted in roots




also this song which to me represent an early attmpt at doom rock/metal, or atleast i think it is doomy metalish



the midle section of this song is massive



Acting on your best behaviour
Turn your back on mother nature
Everybody wants to rule the world
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FYI - On Transatlantic's first album, they do a nice cover In Held Twas In I...
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