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    Posted: March 07 2012 at 22:27
Originally posted by LirazelsOdyssey

Just finished Sola Scriptura.... sitting here weeping.... Listening to is over again.  If ever there was an album for such a time as this... THIS IS IT
 
I know you liked the lyrical content, but what did you think about the lyrics poetically/stylistically?  I agree with the message (most of it, anyway) but I didn't think the lyrics were that well written.
Maybe it's just because I've never been able to get into Neal Morse Unhappy
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Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

Originally posted by LirazelsOdyssey

Just finished Sola Scriptura.... sitting here weeping.... Listening to is over again.  If ever there was an album for such a time as this... THIS IS IT
 
I know you liked the lyrical content, but what did you think about the lyrics poetically/stylistically?  I agree with the message (most of it, anyway) but I didn't think the lyrics were that well written.
Maybe it's just because I've never been able to get into Neal Morse Unhappy

I can understand the how you could say the lyrics of Sola Scriptura are not well written. Well actually I would say they might be more confusing compared to his other works. His ? has absolutely brilliant lyrics, conceptually speaking with all the scriptural references. But yeah I can understand that somewhat.
Check out ?, those lyrics are great... well at least I think
Anyway I am a massive Morse fan though:)
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Originally posted by lazland

Neal Morse, who wrote the lyrics, is faith based. I am not altogether sure about the others.


I know :) I think it's the same with Proto-Kaw... nonetheless, faith-based lyrics.

I agree about Sola Scriptura having some weak lyrics. I love the album, but there are some lines that make me wince... "I have great big armies like a general, I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero." or "I ask myself one question... What would Jesus do?"

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"I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero"
 
Wow.
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I had no interest in Neal Morse before.  Things haven't changed with that revelation.
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Originally posted by Textbook

"I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero"
 

Wow.


It always seemed to me that that line was meant to mock the corruption in the church during the reformation. Otherwise I've got some issues with it as well
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Originally posted by VanVanVan

Originally posted by Textbook

"I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero"
 

Wow.


It always seemed to me that that line was meant to mock the corruption in the church during the reformation. 


That's precisely what it is.  It's about papal hypocrisy.
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That's absolutely what it means. But its not a profound statement, and it's not particularly well written.

(Amazingly, that line was playing at the very moment I wrote this reply, hahaha...)
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On the plus side, "Seeds of Gold" from the special edition of Testimony II is a GREAT song.
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Originally posted by Tuck

That's absolutely what it means. But its not a profound statement, and it's not particularly well written.

(Amazingly, that line was playing at the very moment I wrote this reply, hahaha...)


I thought it was clever.  It at least stands out, which is more than I can say for some of his other lyrics in places.
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That's true... it is kind of a ballsy exclamation. Especially since it's still such a big issue.

Another semi-prog Christian album I've enjoyed lately is the return of John Elefante's Mastedon back in 2009 with the album "3" Some serious Kansas throwbacks (including a none-too-subtle cover of Dust in the Wind) plus a plethora of classic rock influences (most notably Boston). I hadn't heard much of his solo stuff before, and that man still has an absolutely killer voice. Some great guitar licks by his brother Dino make the album worth a spin or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxjPbeBjf6E < one of my favorite songs from the album
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"I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero" still has nothing on the alltime classic and PA favourite:
 
"Can you believe
God makes you breathe?
Why did he lose
Six million jews?"
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Originally posted by Textbook

"I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero" still has nothing on the alltime classic and PA favourite:
 
"Can you believe
God makes you breathe?
Why did he lose
Six million jews?"


I wonder if Greg Lake is really an atheist or if he worships rhyme.  He is, after all, responsible for, "Someone get me a ladder!"
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Originally posted by Textbook

"I may have a mistress but at least I'm a hetero" still has nothing on the alltime classic and PA favourite:
 
"Can you believe
God makes you breathe?
Why did he lose
Six million jews?"


I wonder if Greg Lake is really an atheist or if he worships rhyme.  He is, after all, responsible for, "Someone get me a ladder!"


Yeah, I noticed several years ago that all of his lyrics for ELP rhyme.  Every line in every song (well, up through Brain Salad anyway, not sure about the ones after that).  I guess if that was what he was going for, he did well.  But it did lead to some ridiculous lyrics at times.
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Originally posted by LirazelsOdyssey

Just finished Sola Scriptura.... sitting here weeping.... Listening to is over again.  If ever there was an album for such a time as this... THIS IS IT!!!< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">
 
So safe to say you missed Neal on his T2 Tour last May at EMP? If so that is too bad....fiercly powerful prog show. He played the entire T2 album. You can read my live review here from that show.
 
       
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I thought about seeing him at Cornerstone festival this June...but I want to see Iona more, and the only three bands worth seeing (Iona, Neal Morse, and Becoming the Archtype) are all on separate days!Head on wall
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[QUOTE=Ambient Hurricanes] I thought about seeing him at Cornerstone festival this June...but I want to see Iona more, and the only three bands worth seeing (Iona, Neal Morse, and Becoming the Archtype) are all on separate days!Head on wall[/QUOT
 
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I've heard one or two songs and liked them, I'm planning to check them out in the future, but I already know they're better than all the terrible Christian rock bands at the festivalDead
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I said it many times:

Even when I'm a Catholic and for that reason a Christian, I can't accept religious praising Rock or Prog (Catholic, Protestant Christian, Jewish or any determined religion), because I believe music has to be free, and when used to make propaganda for a determined religion (Also applicable for music used to support a determined political party), stops being artistic to become an instrument for propaganda, almost as a jingle.

Another problem specifically with SOME Christian music, is that it is used to attack other beliefs or even disbelief (A good example is Sola Scriptura, a blatant attack against Catholicism), and to send subliminal messages to minors that buy the album for the music and receive intensive preach.

Spiritual music is OK, love the lyrics of Livegren when he was searching for a spiritual truth or Wakeman religious music without preaching, but guys like Morse make me sick...Music is for the stages...Evangelism is for pulpits.

In the case of political music, a good example is Silvio Rodriguez, his music is sublime, but when he makes lyrics to support the dictatorship of   Fidel Castro (who allowed him to live better than 99% of the Cubans), is just selling his art.

Don't want to sound harsh, but his is my honest opinion.

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^ I respect that.  I think the best way to praise God is with a great instumental.
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