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    Posted: March 03 2012 at 11:32
erm...sorry to be picky Rob, but given that Israel is an artificial sovereignty created by the United Nations in 1947, you really mean you ain't Jewish right?
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming

erm...sorry to be picky Rob, but given that Israel is an artificial sovereignty created by the United Nations in 1947, you really mean you ain't Jewish right?

Yes but they were Israelites even before that. In biblical times.
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I was taught that the English and US were descendants of Ephraim and Manasseh.

But anyway, religion ceased to provide the answers for me long ago.  If I am doomed, so be it.  Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.  You live and then you die.  Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  Dig deeper into the bible and you have to deal with the contradictions.


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I have nothing against Religion in music. There is some fantastic material out there due to it. I love Gospel, Bluegrass Gospel esp , and even some of those Classical Monk choirs etc at times.
 
With Prog and Rock though I don't think it goes, more so a lot of the early stuff was rebellion based and not like all that old stuff the older generation played back then.  ( I play that old stuff myself these daysLOL)
 
 
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Zarathustra by Museo Rosenbach, being about Nietzche's philosophy, should be included in the thread Wink
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While you're at it, find me an album about natural selection and Darwin's life Tongue
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While you're at it, find me an album about natural selection and Darwin's life Tongue


It's all in Italian, of course Wink


Edited by VanVanVan - March 06 2012 at 08:33
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^I have that masterpiece, so informative Wink
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Originally posted by Epignosis


If you are in the image of God, does that mean you are everywhere at once?  What does it actually mean to be made "in the image of God?"
 
"So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female he created them."
 
I don't have all the answers, but the best I can explain the image of God is: we were created specially, given immortal souls, and made to reflect God's attributes.  This doesn't mean that we are omnipotent or omnipresent, but that, because our Creator is rational, emotional, and relational, we are rational, emotional, and relational creatures (to give a few examples).  Because we are made in the image of our Creator, we subcreate under Him, using His gifts.  We do this in our music, stories, art, etc.  God, who is in dominion over all things, also made us in His image by giving us dominion over the earth.  When man fell, he lost that image, but God is now restoring it in us, and will complete it on the last day.
 
Note: I use the word "man" to mean all of mankind, because that's how it's used in Scripture when discussing this.  I do not mean to exclude women from the image of God.
 
1 In the beginning Man created God;  5 And these lesser men were cast into the
and in the image of Man                            void; And some were burned, and some were
created he him.                                           put apart from their kind.

2 And Man gave unto God a multitude of    6 And Man became the God that he had
names, that he might be Lord of all                created and with his miracles did
the earth when it was suited to Man.              rule over all the earth.

3 And on the seven millionth              7 But as all these things
day Man rested and did lean                 came to pass, the Spirit that did
heavily on his God and saw that           cause man to create his God
it was good.                                               lived on within all men: even
                                                                     within Aqualung.
4 And Man formed Aqualung of
the dust of the ground, and a             8 And man saw it not.
host of others likened unto his kind.

                    9 But for Christ's sake he'd
                        better start looking.
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Originally posted by Epignosis


What does it actually mean to be made "in the image of God?"

Might mean nothing other than to have the conception of right and wrong.  Either that or God looks like a human being and then you have to ask which gender...

By the way, I don't believe in immortal souls.  I do believe in living souls that can die.


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Originally posted by Epignosis

The Christian Thread prompted to the Atheist Thread, the Religion Prog Thread prompted the Anti-Religion Prog Thread... I'm of a mind to start an "Original Thread" just to see what thread gets made afterward.  Tongue
 
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Actually I would have preferred these types of threads locked and closed down ... after a while, this subject gets really tired.
 
No one can say anything anymore about anything out there because the intelligenzia will always say that you are anti-something and no pro-anything ... and with today's media ... always taking some sort of idea to make their point and ... notice that point NEVER leads to the big name or company ... it's always towards the little worthless guy ... who couldn't possibly make a difference on the whole subject anyway.
 
Like you, I'm tired of "religion" threads. It's no different than "business" threads ... or yet another discussion between Democrats and Republicans in America ... folks that can not find a difference between each other unless they are ready to trash Rush on one side or Mahor on the other.
 
The thing that bothers me the most? ... the inevitable insinuation that because you wrote one song questioning it all, that you are now anti-religion or anti-faith ... and I'm sorry. That is grossly mis-represented and not a discussion woth having in a public place, where most people throw rocks even though they are sinners themselves. It's not even about the quality and the beauty of either view point ... it's almost a complete irreverant note about looking for stuff that they can show off behind their mom's back!
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I always loved that text on the back of Aqualung. Aqualung actually did have an influence on my religious outlook, but I was only about 8 when I first got into it so I would've been fairly impressionable.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast



By the way, I don't believe in immortal souls.  I do believe in living souls that can die.


We agree!  Shocked
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Deathspell Omega just finished a philosophical trilogy of albums about something anti-Christian. I haven't really looked too much into the meaning because I honestly don't care, but their lyrics are written so well.

Some of the best albums of the past decade, to be sure. Throughout an album they go from English to French and Latin, and even Finnish at some point, I believe. 
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I'm kind of torn about Temple of Shadows by Angra. The concept is based during the crusades, and it seems to denounce the practices of the Catholic church, but overall I think the album sets an agnostic tone. Probably my favorite power-metal album of all time here.

Additionally, I would say Neal Morse's Sola Scriptura is a blatant anti-religious album, in the sense that it is against religious practices and strongholds and emphasizes the spiritual connection between God and man. Many  "religious" artists denounce traditional "religion" these days.

It seems that most artists today write more about seeking spiritual answers than denouncing faiths or religions in general. There seems to be a spirit of agnosticism throughout.
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I suppose you could call his Testify albums anti-religious in that they put me right off religion.
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I suppose you could call his Testify albums anti-religious in that they put me right off religion.
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I suppose you could call his Testify albums anti-religious in that they put me right off religion.


 
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Did anybody mention Pain Of Salvation yet? They probably did but I can't remember it.
 
Also, Protest The Hero. Metallica have done anti-religion stuff too.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Originally posted by Epignosis


What does it actually mean to be made "in the image of God?"

Might mean nothing other than to have the conception of right and wrong.  
That's actually part of it.
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