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Posted: February 28 2012 at 13:31
Textbook wrote:
Epig: There is an anti-religion theme in Rush. Sorry if you don't like that, but there is. Also, it's incredibly revealing that you think it's risible that people with a viewpoint not reflected in a certain thread want to make a thread that reflects their viewpoint.
I've read Epig's posts leading up to your comment and it doesn't strike me that he finds this thread risible at all. I think he was just having a bit of a laugh with the "this thread was inspired by this thread, etc" line. But he doesn't seem like he's come out with all guns blaring at all...
That said, aren't David Gilmour and Roger Waters avowed atheists? Surely there have to be some PF lyrics regarding that.
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Posted: February 28 2012 at 13:36
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Rush are not 'anti religion' They can't be, because of their 'libertarian' view of the world. They presumably support anyones right to freely worship.
They are merely exercising their right to not do so themselves, and to cast a crticial eye, via their music, over the whole concept of blind faith. To suggest they are 'anti' religion, almost implies they want to see it stamped out, which I like to think they don't.
Yeah, I never got the feeling that they were the Bill Maher's of prog! Maybe they are, though. I'm not familiar with the whole catalog (I do like some of the grooves, though; Closer To The Heart is amazing in that it was a good song and actually became a hit... will wonders never cease?)
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Posted: February 28 2012 at 18:57
Epignosis wrote:
There isn't an "Anti-religion" message in Rush. It's not there. Rush actually uses quite a bit of mythology and mysticism in their lyrics. The closest thing to atheism you'll find in Rush is "Roll the Bones."
This isn't all out anti-religion, but I always liked this video.
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:03
What really is anti-religion prog anyway? If it's satanic or devil worship stuff, that's still a religion. If it's atheist, there is just no belief in religion. If you are critical of the evil things done for religious beliefs, well maybe.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 10:26
There are a lot of avant-garde black metal artists and prog/symphonic black metal artists.
Some of them are anti-religion but some of them are satanists which is more like AN anti-religion making it kinda a religion.
And there is a huge difference between anti-religion and anti-God. I am a non-biblical Christian but I'm pretty anti-religion. For example, I pray that God takes a huge dump on the Catholic church and all their riches.
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 16:45
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Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Freewill by Rush, enough said.
There are plenty of Christians who would agree with every word of that song.
Not quite every word, but most of it. "Genetic blends with uncertain ends on a fortune hunt that's far too fleet" doesn't sound very Christian to me, and it's impossible to "choose free will;" you might argue that humans have free will, but you don't get to pick whether you have it (Altaire pointed this out a while back). I personally don't agree with anything in the song, and because of my perspective, in the past I've interpreted it to be about Christianity in general.
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 21:19
Textbook wrote:
Opeth is fairly anti-religion I would say.
Epig: There is an anti-religion theme in Rush. Sorry if you don't like that, but there is. Also, it's incredibly revealing that you think it's risible that people with a viewpoint not reflected in a certain thread want to make a thread that reflects their viewpoint.
Remember, just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean their music is. Frank Zappa for example. He would be irreverent about religion in his music but I can't think of a song where he actually went at it.
Most of the "You are What You Is" album...
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Posted: March 01 2012 at 13:38
Strawbs "Lay a Little Light on Me" from Hero and Heroine reflects some disenchantment with religion from a nonetheless religious person. Whether that makes it anti-religious is open to debate. Which is I guess a point of discussion in this whole thread. Lyricists comment on many aspects of life in a less than black and white way. Very few of us like to be hit over the head with anyone's set of beliefs or non beliefs. When something is done subtly and artistically, it often doesn't matter whether one agrees with the intent of the artist, as long as one enjoys the way the message is delivered.
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Posted: March 01 2012 at 15:32
I think even the most religious amongst us would agree that there is qualitative difference between questioning religious beliefs and being anti-religion, but for some even the questioning is automatically anti.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 01 2012 at 17:38
Epignosis wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Freewill by Rush, enough said.
There are plenty of Christians who would agree with every word of that song.
Not quite every word, but most of it. "Genetic blends with uncertain ends on a fortune hunt that's far too fleet" doesn't sound very Christian to me
As a mortal, I completely agree with that.
But do you agree with it as a Christian and heir of eternal life? As a Christian, I don't believe that I'm a "genetic blend with uncertain ends," but a human being created in the image of God, chosen by Him to receive eternal life.
But I do agree with you that Freewill isn't necessarily anti-religious
There are plenty of Christians who would agree with every word of that song.
Not quite every word, but most of it. "Genetic blends with uncertain ends on a fortune hunt that's far too fleet" doesn't sound very Christian to me
As a mortal, I completely agree with that.
But do you agree with it as a Christian and heir of eternal life? As a Christian, I don't believe that I'm a "genetic blend with uncertain ends," but a human being created in the image of God, chosen by Him to receive eternal life.
But I do agree with you that Freewill isn't necessarily anti-religious
I don't consider those concepts at odds. The "uncertain ends" I look at as mere mortal uncertainty (I don't know how I'm going to die, etc.).
If you are in the image of God, does that mean you are everywhere at once? What does it actually mean to be made "in the image of God?"
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