"Freedom" thread or something

manofmystery wrote: JJLehto wrote: Well, I still don't have a problem with unions in themselves (after all workers do need their rights) I just think it's wrong to have it mandatory to join, likewise it's wrong to have a company not allow it. Workers should have the choice to form one if they want and join if they want.     I completely agree.  I just don't want unions and government mixing in any way.

Ah, well then yeah no disagreements here.



Wow, I don't know. Sounds like media talk for fun bullsh*t. Seems crazy for Paul to take a VP spot, though as you said he certainly would not be passive, and try to use it to further the message. Highly unlikely though. As it's been said Romney is a blank slate anyway but Santorum/Paul is beyond a joke!

I could see a Romney/Ron Paul ticket only because Romney has no real platform of his own and is easily swayed for political expediency.  That being said, it isn't happening.  Now, a Romney/Rand Paul ticket would be a real possibility.  Romney would get the comfort of thinking he'll be getting Ron's voters (he won't be) while Rand would be getting a leg up on 2016.

Not only that, but I'm not sure how it would be benefitial to the libertarian movement to be VP of a big-government, let's-invade-Iran president, when one of Paul's and libertarianism biggest points is consistency.

Edited by The T - March 17 2012 at 18:36

^It would disappoint me. I'm sure the media outlets are doing that just to further create confusion, bury Paul's candidacy, and show the GOP as a big pile of fail where inner conflict is destroying it from within. Now, if it is true, it's disappointing. With Santorum it would be ridiculous (personal liberties?!?). With Romney a little less so but still ("let's attack Iran" ?!?). Also, it would kill libertarianism and Rand Paul forever.

JJLehto wrote: Well, I still don't have a problem with unions in themselves (after all workers do need their rights) I just think it's wrong to have it mandatory to join, likewise it's wrong to have a company not allow it. Workers should have the choice to form one if they want and join if they want.

 

At least write letters to some newspapers and politicians...even with our less government Republican governor not a thing's been done with our outrageous property taxes. That sh*t really does choke us and hurt business.

A friend of mine, his father is paying these high taxes on property he does not even use...the business failed before the contract is up and no one will buy the land. 

JJLehto wrote: Atavachron wrote: Just beware of labeling and selling the Big L, the moment an idea becomes 'something' is the moment it's in jeopardy of mediocrity. You are right but I can only vouch for me, and this is no rash decision! The better part of 2 years actually I spent thinking about it. I plan to continue it after Paul retires. Maybe do something insanely stupid and run for office when I'm 25. Run a crazy, no money campaign to draw some attention to it. Maybe Rob, Pat, MoM and llama if we find him can do the same! We'll talk about prog, sandwiches and how to take over the US in a good way

 

Atavachron wrote: Just beware of labeling and selling the Big L, the moment an idea becomes 'something' is the moment it's in jeopardy of mediocrity.

You are right but I can only vouch for me, and this is no rash decision! The better part of 2 years actually I spent thinking about it. I plan to continue it after Paul retires.
Maybe do something insanely stupid and run for office when I'm 25. Run a crazy, no money campaign to draw some attention to it. Maybe Rob, Pat, MoM and llama if we find him can do the same! We'll talk about prog, sandwiches and how to take over the US in a good way

I wouldn't take too much credit...there IS a reason I started talking with you guys in the first place ; )
After all...initiative is the key to all success!
It was damn hard to break the mentality though. Man, I didn't even really believe in what I told people...it just made no sense when observing life and the way things are. Maybe it's why I just couldn't stop debating, hoping to force myself to accept what I used to believe was wrong! Not easy to do when you are opinionated.

I believe that 100%.
I can counter with my own PA politician who is a Democrat (though personally is a Republican) and supports Romney. Naturally he hates Obama but I think he's a bit more naive than sinister. Seems to honestly believe the party line, he's quite sincere in hating Obama and liking Romney, which is just great! But yeah he's in to line his pockets and just work deals with people. Even on the local level...we are so f**ked.

Of course when out with friends I laugh about his "corrupt friend" and how he abuses his power and can get us a deal at the cigar shop, but it makes me want to vomit
No doubt man, it's quite obvious that both parties are the same sh*t and like many I looked at the horrors the free market and capitalism has given us, but I see it really is corporatism.

Well, like there was any chance it wasn't gunna be.

So after being semi sold on the idea, I can say with 107% certainty I support Ron Paul.
As some of you must've noticed I've been rethinking my beliefs for a while. I always am, and honestly for a while things didn't seem to "make sense" no matter how I tried. I was quite stuck to my beliefs but the final straw was after observation.

Wubya, Obama. Republicans, Democrats. No matter what anyone does we all seem stuck at a plateau, as my family always gripes we keep fighting to keep our head above water. The level of which seemed to be rising all the time, and we could never figure out why. Why is sh*t always just getting worse? I'm no expert on the Fed but isn't it supposed to control the economy? Why are prices always so out of hand? If they are supposed to regulate the cycle why are there still recessions?

Is it really so crazy to have competitive currencies? (obviously gold backed or fiat)

I started reading into Paul and every question I had seemed to have an answer. Plus the stuff I already believed in like changing our foreign policy, cut defense spending, the erosion of liberties. What was the "only man representing change while all others are the same" is now something I honestly believe in.
Not 100% ... I believe more in a limited government than as small as Paul seems to want but yeah, I'm on board the revolution.

I was already questioning myself and slowly coming to terms with what I believed was wrong, and I guess I kinda used you guys to help me chip away at it


Edited by JJLehto - March 16 2012 at 22:51