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    Posted: March 03 2012 at 11:48
Admin please close #2. Also, Slarti (not a Libertarian) opened a poll in the poll lounge which is obviously not a real libertarian thread (it's quite the opposite).

And let's open this one with this: I'm not sure what to think of this. Sure, regulation is bad but taking protections away from workers in this state-corporate kingdom seems even worse. Opinions?.



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My poll should really be relegated to just for fun.Embarrassed

But you libertarians really seem to easily get your panties in a wad.  Geeze and liberals are bad about that?


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^ We do? I think we have a pretty good sense of humor.The government is probably telling you otherwise.

Originally posted by Gamemako


5) Crossed state lines to sell, in fact. Was told to stop, so he tried some absurd plan to get around it. Not nearly so innocent.


Guilty of what exactly? I think that's the whole issue. He's guilty of selling something. Oh Jesus. Throw the chains on him.
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Liberty takes a licking and it keeps on ticking.  Big smile
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521

Guilty of what exactly? I think that's the whole issue. He's guilty of selling something. Oh Jesus. Throw the chains on him.


Guilty of crossing state lines to sell an unsafe product where it's illegal?

I know you think highly-enriched uranium should be sold in grocery stores, and we'll never agree on that, but I just want to make it clear that this isn't a perfectly innocent local farmer sharing his spoils with well-informed neighbors.
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God damn, it was my goal to start the third one for great irony. Although I was expecting it to be closed like the SR...shoulda known you guys would self regulate it and not let the man take controlLOL

Even had a name: Libertarian Thread 3: You're like a Marxist society, no class.

Cool


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The T usurped my joke thread and...
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

The T usurped my joke thread and...


Yeah for reals, gotta wait another year and 200+ pages now.

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Besides, I like having choice.
Rival libertarian thread. Maybe 2 or 3. Let the masses of PA decide which is best.


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I do oppose this thread on the grounds that I want to see how long #2 could go.  Not sure what the longest thread in the site's history is but I was hoping that if Libertarian #2 wasn't that it would, one day, be.
 
Also Gamemako, your comment on selling uranium in grocery stores is ridiculous.  It is an asinine assumption that the only thing preventing this from happening is government regulation.  I saw Anthony Bourdain eat some cheese made with raw milk, on tv, a few weeks back.  Better get him.  He might have made a conscience decision to intake something that could, potentially maybe, harm his health a bit!
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Originally posted by Gamemako

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521

Guilty of what exactly? I think that's the whole issue. He's guilty of selling something. Oh Jesus. Throw the chains on him.


Guilty of crossing state lines to sell an unsafe product where it's illegal?

I know you think highly-enriched uranium should be sold in grocery stores, and we'll never agree on that, but I just want to make it clear that this isn't a perfectly innocent local farmer sharing his spoils with well-informed neighbors.


So he did something you view as wrong because he sold something to someone who wanted to consume it? Further, the crime was not selling it, but selling it because he crossed some arbitrary line drawn by government on a map? And yes unsafe like most of the things in the world it could potentially cause harm.
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Basking in the love of the third cheesesteak appreciation thread.  Cool


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Hey, does anyone know if Llama is still alive, btw?
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He logged in yesterday, so unless someone has whacked him and taken over his account, he's okay.

I miss him though. 
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MoM:

1) I opened The Third because Slarti opened a fake one...

2) Are you opposing free initiative in favor of top-down control?

3) Santorum outlasted Cain. That is your answer for the question about Llama.

To everybody: thanks for ignoring my question in the first post.   
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And yes I still can't believe there is such a thing as a cheesesteak...
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Originally posted by manofmystery

Also Gamemako, your comment on selling uranium in grocery stores is ridiculous.


The point is that you believe things should be available regardless of potential harm (your friendly neighborhood nuke store!), or you draw a line involving public good. I'm not arguing whether or not the sale of raw milk should be legal or whether it should be permitted to cross state lines. Whether you agree with the current placement of the line is moot; he clearly and deliberately crossed it. In fact, if these customers were so nearby, they could have collected the raw milk themselves in the state and the entire business would have been perfectly legal.

Originally posted by manofmystery

It is an asinine assumption that the only thing preventing this from happening is government regulation.  I saw Anthony Bourdain eat some cheese made with raw milk, on tv, a few weeks back.  Better get him.  He might have made a conscience decision to intake something that could, potentially maybe, harm his health a bit!


Consumption of raw milk is not illegal. You're arguing against a law that doesn't exist.

//EDIT:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521

Further, the crime was not selling it, but selling it because he crossed some arbitrary line drawn by government on a map?


All law is arbitrary. Only pure anarchy has no borders.

//EDIT: Or pure, universal statism. All is the dominion of the One World Order! Wink


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^ You seperated my response incorrectly.  I was stating that it is asinine to believe that the only thing preventing uranium from being sold in grocery stores in government action.  Was pointing out that it was a silly analogy on your part.  
 
Originally posted by The T

MoM:

1) I opened The Third because Slarti opened a fake one...
 
It's slarti, we really need to start ignoring him and letting his posts/threads die naturally.

2) Are you opposing free initiative in favor of top-down control?
You know, you're the one that asked the admins to close the other thread. Tongue 

3) Santorum outlasted Cain. That is your answer for the question about Llama.
He shouldn't have gone into hiding over that.  He got duped by a fake candidate on a book tour, we can forgive him for that.
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Longest thread I can personally recount was one of the Shred Rooms, for a while we got it into the 500 page range, I wanna say like 520.
Never would've made it to that pointLOL

Anywho, it's OK Teo...you got a little sensitive and jumped the gun, I can forgive it but only because I can not legally do drugs to ease the pain. MaaanCry

Still reading that Rothbard book (I was expecting it to be an article). Compelling argument thus far.


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Did someone say cheesesteak?   Essential eating, though just last week I went to my local place (totally authentic BTW, no west coast nonsense) and got the 'Mr. Philly' which is double meat and cheese with onions and hot&sweet peppers... whiiiiich wasn't such a great idea as I'd not had one in awhile.

On subject, California has, or will in July, initiate a new No Foie Gras law that prohibits the serving of it or the cramming of food down birds' throats to make it.   Though I have usually tended to side with the foodies on this, all the Tony Bourdains and Mario Batalis and Gordon Ramsays who champion meat in every form and eviscerate veganism & Raw Foodism, I'm not sure yet how I feel about this.   Two things strike me first: 1) I nor anyone I know will miss eating foie gras, mainly because we don't-- it's expensive, artery-clogging and if I want to indulge in rich fatty meat I'll get some BBQ or have a nice pastrami or roastbeef sandwich.   2) the notion that force-feeding an animal is not cruel, that it is "natural" and that the bird "is used to both eating and feeding its young that way" may not be accurate enough to allow people to do this just so someone feeling extravagant can have what is essentially pâté, something that is still available.   Even Wolfgang Puck supports the law and believes chefs should think forwardly about it.

Yeah I know, we should all be able to eat whatever we want, but when so much equally tasty, fatty meat products are available, I don't feel too bad disallowing a metal tube down a poor goose's throat to shove cornmeal into its stomach just so some accountant can impress his date.


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Originally posted by Gamemako



Originally posted by Equality 7-2521

Further, the crime was not selling it, but selling it because he crossed some arbitrary line drawn by government on a map?


All law is arbitrary. Only pure anarchy has no borders.

//EDIT: Or pure, universal statism. All is the dominion of the One World Order! Wink


I don't think laws against murder or arson or rape are arbitrary. There's actually a person being harmed in those cases. I can actually point to a crime being committed. You can't do that here. Also, I have this crazy idea that laws must be isotropic to be valid.
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