Libertarian Thread # 3: Liberty will never die

I don't know, I've heard nothing but good things about Iceland.

Well, you know, I can't stand cold, even my current living place Belgium is f*k cold for my taste. Just 3 or 4 pleasant months in the year...

Police shoot a guy's dog because his music was too loud and safety and stuff.

Criminal animals. Not the dog of course.

I hate speed fines too, I have never had a driving accident, meaning involving others, I have had quite a few crashes, including some serious ones, riding my motorbike, but all of them alone, not crashing with anyone else, but I'm quite sure I have paid much more in speed fines than in normal traffic taxes 

Originally posted by Gerinski Yes I'm curious too. Of course he did not board on that plane to Havana, I can guess that it must have been one of the commercial flights with more spies on board ever  Russia says that he is still in the transit zone of Moskow airport and that they are not helping him and hope that he leaves the airport asap, but I'm sure that they are giving him a helping hand. Moskow airport must be funny right now, spies from everywhere all over the place, American, Chinese, Russian... The Assange & Co guys must be clever to fool all that intelligence. I can imagine that his escape (I hope he will succeed) is going to be worthy of the best spies movies!

Glad to see Snowden supporters here!

I'm hoping some European countries will be start to feel humbled and convicted by the Latin American countries who've offered asylum, and will step forward too. Once one country was brave enought to do it, 2 more quickly followed. Come on, European countries, do the right thing!

By the way, Glenn Greenwald's newest article is out now: "The NSA's mass and indiscriminate spying on Brazilians":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/07/nsa-brazilians-globo-spying

Does libertarianism approve bribing? I mean, it's not killing, not stealing, not directly harming anybody, just using your 'deservedly earned money' for your personal benefit. On paper it seems that it should be fine from a Libertarian perspective?

Originally posted by Gerinski Does libertarianism approve bribing? I mean, it's not killing, not stealing, not directly harming anybody, just using your 'deservedly earned money' for your personal benefit. On paper it seems that it should be fine from a Libertarian perspective?

Bribing of whom? We don't like bribing of government officials, since the corruption of government and the way they use their monopoly on force to benefit some at the expense of others is part of our complaint.

Bribing of private companies to get you an advantage over other customers? I don't think we would have a moral objection to it, since no one's rights are being violated, but it would be a foolish company that would accept such bribes, for if it got out, they would lose a lot of customers who felt they were being treated unfairly.

There's also an element of price discrimination in the question, where different people are charged according to what they are willing to pay, which libertarians, and economists in general, don't object to, although consumers often do.

Originally posted by jude111 Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 This isn't a spy movie. They're not going to kill him. Just like they didn't kill Michael Hastings, that reporter in Los Angeles whose car curiously exploded after hitting a tree. And what a coincidence, he was friends with Greenwald and his last story filed was about Snowden's NSA leaks. I've seen many car accidents. I've never seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LSY3wVuASg Let's consider this: If Wikileaks procures a private airplane for Snowden to fly from Moscow to South America, do you think the airplane is going to fly unimpeded? Or would the US force it down or even shoot it down?

I said they won't kill him. Not they haven't killed anybody ever.

You think they would just shoot down a commercial plane in international air space? That's not how IR works.