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thellama73 ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Eclectic Prog Team Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
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I don't know, I've heard nothing but good things about Iceland.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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And Russia shouldn't be bad, though in hands of a mob government.
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4083 |
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Well, you know, I can't stand cold, even my current living place Belgium is f*k cold for my taste. Just 3 or 4 pleasant months in the year...
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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If he goes to Quito, Quito is quite cold at night and perfect in the mornings. Temperatures range between 8 and 24 C. Now the coastal region is a different story.
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15725 |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Eclectic Prog Team Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32283 |
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The uncensored video is rough stuff.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Criminal animals. Not the dog of course.
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4334 |
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Looks like I'll be spending part of my "independence Day" writing a check to the government for a "speeding" ticket. Honestly, on a wide open country road with no civilization why would there be a 55 mph limit? Speed limits a arbitrary rubbish put in place purely to scam people out of their hard earned cash.
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4083 |
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I hate speed fines too, I have never had a driving accident, meaning involving others, I have had quite a few crashes, including some serious ones, riding my motorbike, but all of them alone, not crashing with anyone else, but I'm quite sure I have paid much more in speed fines than in normal traffic taxes
![]() It's a tricky subject I reckon, but for sure the US speed limit of 55 mph is ridiculous, thank god I don't live there.
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Ambient Hurricanes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2011 Location: DruryUniversity Status: Offline Points: 2533 |
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^It's not 55 everywhere; interstate speeds get up to 70/75 or even 80 in some states but 55 is pretty standard for country highways.
But yes, speeding tickets are stupid, many drivers are completely safe going 15-20 mph over the posted speed limit. If you drive faster than you can handle and get in a wreck then you should have to pay the consequences (and they could be steep if other drivers are involved and you are at-fault) but the penalty for that would be heavy enough to be a sufficient deterrent to reckless driving. |
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In blood, he's writing the lyrics of a brand new tune.
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1565 |
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Glad to see Snowden supporters here! I'm hoping some European countries will be start to feel humbled and convicted by the Latin American countries who've offered asylum, and will step forward too. Once one country was brave enought to do it, 2 more quickly followed. Come on, European countries, do the right thing! |
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1565 |
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Just like they didn't kill Michael Hastings, that reporter in Los Angeles whose car curiously exploded after hitting a tree. And what a coincidence, he was friends with Greenwald and his last story filed was about Snowden's NSA leaks. I've seen many car accidents. I've never seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LSY3wVuASg Let's consider this: If Wikileaks procures a private airplane for Snowden to fly from Moscow to South America, do you think the airplane is going to fly unimpeded? Or would the US force it down or even shoot it down? Edited by jude111 - July 06 2013 at 21:07 |
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jude111 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 20 2009 Location: Not Here Status: Offline Points: 1565 |
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By the way, Glenn Greenwald's newest article is out now: "The NSA's mass and indiscriminate spying on Brazilians": http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/07/nsa-brazilians-globo-spying |
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4083 |
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Don't think so, Europeans are too submissive and prefer to avoid conflict. Only 2 European countries could take the step, Germany as the most powerful or Spain as the closest to Latin American countries, and honestly I don't see any of both daring to take the step.
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4083 |
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Does libertarianism approve bribing? I mean, it's not killing, not stealing, not directly harming anybody, just using your 'deservedly earned money' for your personal benefit. On paper it seems that it should be fine from a Libertarian perspective?
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dtguitarfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
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For your consideration: Why Government is Virtuous. FTA:
"We Americans have a distinct suspicion of the relationship between government and personal virtue. Anything that stems from that huge, amorphous and ominous thing in D.C. isn't just a bad idea but likely to stain your character. Libertarians and social conservatives are convinced that they are more than fighting big government, they are promoting virtue. Though happy to invoke a gauzy vision of something just beyond (behind?) the horizon, what is stunning is that both strains of the conservative camp flies in the face of not just modern social science but against thousands of years of our thinking about the relationship between virtue and government." |
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thellama73 ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Eclectic Prog Team Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
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Bribing of whom? We don't like bribing of government officials, since the corruption of government and the way they use their monopoly on force to benefit some at the expense of others is part of our complaint. Bribing of private companies to get you an advantage over other customers? I don't think we would have a moral objection to it, since no one's rights are being violated, but it would be a foolish company that would accept such bribes, for if it got out, they would lose a lot of customers who felt they were being treated unfairly. There's also an element of price discrimination in the question, where different people are charged according to what they are willing to pay, which libertarians, and economists in general, don't object to, although consumers often do. |
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dtguitarfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15725 |
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I said they won't kill him. Not they haven't killed anybody ever. You think they would just shoot down a commercial plane in international air space? That's not how IR works. |
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15725 |
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It doesn't have a stance. It's a political/economic philosphy. Bribing is a moral question. They're disjoint. |
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