"Freedom" thread or something

Atavachron wrote: JJLehto wrote: To be fair, at least I personally, have gotten bored with non econ talk because we all largely agree There is the occasional debate but really, liberals and libertarians basically agree on social issues, and foreign policy. And since no one on PA is conservative or willing to admit it  we always end up back at econ    - I believe Jody (Progtologist) is conservative and is more than willing to admit it, he's just man enough not to have to. EDIT: Exception for guns.    - And abortion, though maybe less clearcut.

Edited by JJLehto - March 27 2014 at 22:52

JJLehto wrote: Atavachron wrote: JJLehto wrote: To be fair, at least I personally, have gotten bored with non econ talk because we all largely agree There is the occasional debate but really, liberals and libertarians basically agree on social issues, and foreign policy. And since no one on PA is conservative or willing to admit it  we always end up back at econ   - I believe Jody (Progtologist) is conservative and is more than willing to admit it, he's just man enough not to have to. EDIT: Exception for guns.    - And abortion, though maybe less clearcut. Sheesh, we all know the cliche of progheads being a bit too serious...I thought the laughy faces were supposed to indicate joke.  Don't usually see you around, so thanks for popping in solely to try and make an ass of me  That point is a fair one, abortion can indeed be a point of contention between liberals and libertarians. I believe most in this thread take the "pro life" side (ugh I really hate using these terms) but I have known libertarians to take both positions... that is a good debate point.  Ironically though I hate the abortion debate and rarely partake! So yall can have at it, I'll bow out.  I suppose there are other points we're likely to disagree on...like environment. But even that one ends up quickly devolving into BS I've noticed. Pretty much Econ is what interests me most <span style="line-height: 1.2;"></span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;"></span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;">Here's something in video form so MoM should be able to handle it</span> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFSKaCRpL-s If that is too long/detailed here's a super condensed version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRE-IDYfi8Y L Randall Wray is the man! Love this guy and his work, shame they are shunned and relegated to the internet and a few universities...despite a large body of evidence supporting their ideas, they don't use the mainstream models and talk about people from long ago so they are deemed crazy. I hope there's also not an ideological bias, but I have read disturbing things about the elite econ institutions and journals becoming cult like

Awwww JJLehto, I too did not intend to offend anyone, infact I think communication is key, this is the best way to convince others of our beliefs really, or the contrary as in us to change our beliefs :) Abortion debate is very sensitive I know even I tend to change when it comes to the actual fetus grown terms, all very complicated sadly but necessary to discuss or debate tho' don't you think?
As Atavachron said we are not taking to micky on anyone nor making anyone to look like an ass although I am sure you have a very nice ass       

Edited by Kati - March 27 2014 at 23:06

JJLehto wrote: Never fear, hard to really offend me (or even make me angry) certainly over the internet.  I've not been active in recent years so ya may not know me well but I wouldn't put toooo much stock in what I say when I get silly like that. I'm a bit of a prog a****le myself! I really do ask for all, but especially MoM, to watch those videos.  The 20 minute one, if you hang around long enough...one will see how I actually agree that Keynesian economics has failed and is not effective. I won't give it away now, you gotta do some work I'd also post the paper on how the "War on Poverty" has been pretty dismal, and this Minsky guy said it would be all the way back in the 60s but I know how long, academic papers don't fly well here....

hahahaha you pest lolol you are so good! I love that word Keynesian lolol I promise you my views are not erratic nor short living, but love what you said, that word is rare and used in economics rarely :) ha! love it!

JJLehto, honestly speaking, one has to be most convincing for me to make me watch a 20min vid, unless it's about David Bowie aka The Sexiest Man alive however I doubt there is much more I have not seen from him

Kati wrote: JJLehto Unless your input now might change, to be honest you sound a bit narcissistic

Edited by JJLehto - March 28 2014 at 07:14

Yup. Abortion, guns and healthcare are really the biggies. 

Edited by JJLehto - March 28 2014 at 13:28

JJLehto wrote: Atavachron wrote: JJLehto wrote: To be fair, at least I personally, have gotten bored with non econ talk because we all largely agree There is the occasional debate but really, liberals and libertarians basically agree on social issues, and foreign policy. And since no one on PA is conservative or willing to admit it  we always end up back at econ    - I believe Jody (Progtologist) is conservative and is more than willing to admit it, he's just man enough not to have to. EDIT: Exception for guns.    - And abortion, though maybe less clearcut. Sheesh, we all know the cliche of progheads being a bit too serious...I thought the laughy faces were supposed to indicate joke.  Don't usually see you around, so thanks for popping in solely to try and make an ass of me  That point is a fair one, abortion can indeed be a point of contention between liberals and libertarians. I believe most in this thread take the "pro life" side (ugh I really hate using these terms) but I have known libertarians to take both positions... that is a good debate point.  Ironically though I hate the abortion debate and rarely partake! So yall can have at it, I'll bow out.  I suppose there are other points we're likely to disagree on...like environment. But even that one ends up quickly devolving into BS I've noticed. Pretty much Econ is what interests me most Here's something in video form so MoM should be able to handle it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFSKaCRpL-s If that is too long/detailed here's a super condensed version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRE-IDYfi8Y L Randall Wray is the man! Love this guy and his work, shame they are shunned and relegated to the internet and a few universities...despite a large body of evidence supporting their ideas, they don't use the mainstream models and talk about people from long ago so they are deemed crazy. I hope there's also not an ideological bias, but I have read disturbing things about the elite econ institutions and journals becoming cult like

I was hopeful at a quick glance of his wiki, but that's sort of waning. I haven't watched the long one yet though.

I have decided to grow a real beard, so maybe soon I can become as fluffy and epic as my profile pic. 

The T wrote: I don't hate but I don't revere them either as "makers" or any other stupid name they have been given. And yes, they basically will be able to own the government now. Thanks to the Supreme Court, guarantor of people's rights and freedoms.  Rich people, that is.  And they will find some justification in the centuries old stupid book called the constitution.

That about sums it up.