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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 18:43
Then don't post drivel
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 18:45
Yeah but most if not all internet debate is pointless for one reason or anotherLOL
That's why it's hear! I don't talk like this IRL and it's my only way to let it out

Besides how many different ways can you say the government sucks? Tongue

Assuming Obama gets a second term: Wonder if there's any chance he'll ya know...do something, like legalizing gay marriage and marijuana, since he won't have to fear re election.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 19:39
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Then don't post drivel
I will post whatever the I want that is within the guidelines of this website and don't need your approval. Not that your cliche one-liners have contributed anything to the discussion anyway.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 19:41
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


Yeah but most if not all internet debate is pointless for one reason or anotherLOLThat's why it's hear! I don't talk like this IRL and it's my only way to let it out Besides how many different ways can you say the government sucks? TongueAssuming Obama gets a second term: Wonder if there's any chance he'll ya know...do something, like legalizing gay marriage and marijuana, since he won't have to fear re election.
Lose all hope good Brian. He will not get more radical towards those social issues at all. Remember, it's jot as if the politics game stops with him. Once he's gone, he still has to think about his party and playing down the center is the best way to get elected (not that the sorry GOP is any threat lately anyway).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 21:41
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


Yeah but most if not all internet debate is pointless for one reason or anotherLOLThat's why it's hear! I don't talk like this IRL and it's my only way to let it out Besides how many different ways can you say the government sucks? TongueAssuming Obama gets a second term: Wonder if there's any chance he'll ya know...do something, like legalizing gay marriage and marijuana, since he won't have to fear re election.
Lose all hope good Brian. He will not get more radical towards those social issues at all. Remember, it's jot as if the politics game stops with him. Once he's gone, he still has to think about his party and playing down the center is the best way to get elected (not that the sorry GOP is any threat lately anyway).



http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/10/rasmussen-tracking-poll-puts-romney-up-5-santorum-up-1-over-obama/


The analysis points out that Dems are already united behind their guy, while R's are still fighting, so theoretically the Rs will improve a bit on these numbers.  When Rs stop beating the sh*t out of each other, they are going to start engaging Obummer, and it will be a contest.  The media narrative that this thing is over already is BS. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 21:48
I don't know, Romney vs. Obama sounds an awful lot like Bambi vs. Godzilla
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 21:52
Romney vs Obama sounds a lot like Obama vs Romney...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 22:11
Yeah, I know the Paulite position.  There's no difference between the two parties.  Except on just about every issue where the two parties would do different things.  Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 22:39
Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Another laughable attempt at journalistic smearing.

hahaha yahoo news.

Cracker jack journalism right there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 22:50
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:


I wonder how history would have looked upon the USA is they had sat and set an example watched from the sidelines. 

Probably not so bad, given the white washing that western media would do anyway. Few people in America know there is compelling evidence that Roosevelt knew of the attack of Pearl Harbor, but allowed it to happen to rally support for intervening in Europe and the Pacific.

Anyway, think WW2 had to be fought. The Japanese and the Germans were aggressive forces with cold, horrible ideologies, and they were committing atrocities left and right. Even if they overextended and would have at some point been forced to scale back, having powerful nations ignore sovereignty of multiple  countries and take back land and people should not be allowed, whenever possible. Shame the nature of war back then was still basically throwing guys in front of machines guns. Less tactical and more deadly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2012 at 23:27
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Yeah, I know the Paulite position.  There's no difference between the two parties.  Except on just about every issue where the two parties would do different things.  Wink
 
 
pffft, different things my ass


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2012 at 05:17
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Then don't post drivel
I will post whatever the I want that is within the guidelines of this website and don't need your approval. Not that your cliche one-liners have contributed anything to the discussion anyway.
 
Touche. ..
 
(Cliched one-worder)
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2012 at 08:18
Since we're talking about Republicans and Democrats (and their similarities or differences in 21st-century Presidencies), I'd like you all to have a look at and discuss this piece:

Bush 2.0: 100 Ways Barack Obama Is Just Like George W. Bush


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2012 at 08:27
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Since we're talking about Republicans and Democrats (and their similarities or differences in 21st-century Presidencies), I'd like you all to have a look at and discuss this piece:

Bush 2.0: 100 Ways Barack Obama Is Just Like George W. Bush



It's amusing.  Many of us on the left said that he wasn't going to be the liberal savior he was being spun as when he was running for his first term.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2012 at 08:28
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Since we're talking about Republicans and Democrats (and their similarities or differences in 21st-century Presidencies), I'd like you all to have a look at and discuss this piece:

Bush 2.0: 100 Ways Barack Obama Is Just Like George W. Bush



It's amusing.  Many of us on the left said that he wasn't going to be the liberal savior he was being spun as.


Yet he retains your support? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2012 at 08:29
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Since we're talking about Republicans and Democrats (and their similarities or differences in 21st-century Presidencies), I'd like you all to have a look at and discuss this piece:

Bush 2.0: 100 Ways Barack Obama Is Just Like George W. Bush



It's amusing.  Many of us on the left said that he wasn't going to be the liberal savior he was being spun as.


Yet he retains your support? 

It's very weak support.  He isn't the demon that many conservatives have portrayed him as either.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2012 at 08:33
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:


I wonder how history would have looked upon the USA is they had sat and set an example watched from the sidelines. 

Probably not so bad, given the white washing that western media would do anyway. Few people in America know there is compelling evidence that Roosevelt knew of the attack of Pearl Harbor, but allowed it to happen to rally support for intervening in Europe and the Pacific.

Anyway, think WW2 had to be fought. The Japanese and the Germans were aggressive forces with cold, horrible ideologies, and they were committing atrocities left and right. Even if they overextended and would have at some point been forced to scale back, having powerful nations ignore sovereignty of multiple  countries and take back land and people should not be allowed, whenever possible. Shame the nature of war back then was still basically throwing guys in front of machines guns. Less tactical and more deadly.


Can you provide a source for this? It seems well documented that the US military had been able to crack some Japanese diplomatic code and received similar from British intelligence warning that an attack was imminent. However, this theory of a complicit FDR seems to stem entirely from a statement made by Chief of Staff General George Marshall: the United States desires that Japan commits the first overt act.
The US certainly knew that Japan was about to declare war but there is no evidence to suggest that they knew the target location for any attack. Given the sheer size of the Pacific Ocean, likely targets were many e.g. the Phillipines, Singapore, Dutch East Indies, Kra Peninsula, Borneo etc
I also believe that if the Pearl Harbour attack had never happened, the US would still have declared war on Japan: all the indicators were there to suggest an American public growing increasingly concerned by an ever increasingly powerful adversary.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2012 at 08:41
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


I also believe that if the Pearl Harbour attack had never happened, the US would still have declared war on Japan: all the indicators were there to suggest an American public growing increasingly concerned by an ever increasingly powerful adversary.

It was inevitable by all I've read and the Japanese didn't intend for it to be a sneak attack without a declaration of war (but they were intent on doing it).  That was apparently a diplomatic communication snafu.  It's sad because many among us that became adversaries were inclined to being friends.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2012 at 09:02
^The US apparently did know there would be an attack and was waiting for it to happen but didn't get the location right. The Japanese didn't, either. Most historians agree Pearl Harbor didn't accomplish anything for the Japanese Empire since most of the fleet they destroyed was old and none of the real important ships were touched. Also, they didn't really destroy infrastructure like runways to the degree that would've served them better. The lifes lost aside, Pear Harbor was only a minimal problem to the US but quite the perfect, waited-for excuse.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2012 at 09:04
By the way, today in the newspaper there was this letter where the writer said that we should move to a popular vote system instead of the electoral college, but what was great was the argument: that would have given as Gore, and "no wars would have existed and no wall street crisis would've occurred". Yeah right...
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