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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Sorry, I know you mean well, but I dont agree with your point of view. For instance, In the example of Moraz, only Davison holds it together in terms acceptable to me. I think you're listening purely to the notes and techniques without an understanding of what rock really is. Then again, we all have your own opinions to which we are indeed entitled.

Of course we can disagree, it's healthy for a forum (And fun for those of us who like a good debate)..

But your comment of Refugee left me cold

According to every piece of literature and almost every review of the album, describes the band as keyboard oriented and praises the work of Patrick Moraz, combining Rock, Classical and Jazz (Remember that Moraz made his early career as Jazz player rather than as Classical musician) with brilliance, the only weak point of Refugee were the terrible vocals

Now, if you have to choose one early Yes album with lesser classical influence, you have to go with Relayer, Moraz is absolutely different to Wakeman in every sense, both are great, buit Moraz is much more aggressive and of course Jazz Rock oriented.

I never cared for the Moody Blues, because of the poppy sound, but things changed in the fantastic "Long Distance Voyager", all the themes (except "Taking Out of the Turn") are much more rewarding and Rock oriented than anything done with Pinder.

Patrick Moraz gave freshness to every band he joined, as a fact he changed the sound and style, listen him in Mainhorse (described as a combination between Deep Purple and Atomic Rooster), and tell me if the guy can't rock. 

BTW: Haven't heard your opinion about Par Lindh or Jurgen Fritz, normally described as members of the school of Emerson and as clones by the mot radical ELP fans.

Just in case you never heard him, this is the guy who studied Classical Music in a Conservatory, went for perfection  with almost 30 teachers and toured as a Classical pianist and organist:



Now tell me that he can't Rock.

Iván
OK, he cant rock. But seriously, from my point of view you're looking in the wrong direction. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Over and Out.
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Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

 
OK, he cant rock. But seriously, from my point of view you're looking in the wrong direction. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Over and Out.

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Can you sometime answer something and not change the subject on each post?

Par Lindh Can't Rock and Emerson can...When both have the same style?

Yes, better leave it there.

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I'm trying to leave it there, for we are poles apart. It seems to me that your symphonic/classical take on everything has led you to confuse swing with rock. Your taste in music is excellent, but you're definitely not versed in rock dynamics. And that's my final word.
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Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

I'm trying to leave it there, for we are poles apart. It seems to me that your symphonic/classical take on everything has led you to confuse swing with rock. Your taste in music is excellent, but you're definitely not versed in rock dynamics. And that's my final word.

Please, pal, before I knew what prog was, I was listening Classic Rock bands as Grand Funk Railroad, Mountain, Steppenwolf, BTO, The Who and some Prog related Rock bands like Uriah Heep and Deep Purple.

Yes, I love Symphonic, but I'm as interested in Psychedelia and early Rock

You have claimed that:

  1. Rick Wakeman is  "Certainly the most classically trained of the contemporary keyboard players"  This was proven wrong by with arguments and examples.
  2. Then you said that guys like Par Lindh, Patrick Moraz and Jurgen Fritz " need the full support of guitars and the texture of a full band to be of use at all. " Proved wrong, the three played in power trios without guitars, based almost exclusively in bass, percussion and keyboards. You changed the subject again
  3. Then ytou claimed that this guys I mentioned are just "  luxury players, decorating the existing tapestries of music rather than creating them or carrying the band as the central force "...Obviously Par Lindh is the central force of Par Lindh Project LOL, and if you ever heard Triumvirat, you must admit that Jürgen Fritz is the ONLY composer and central force in a keyboard oriented band, the same can be said about Moraz in Refugee or Mainhorse, and Nocenzzi along with Francesco di Giacomo, are the main forces of BMS.
  4. Then you claimed that Emerson can Rock, but Par Lindh (The closer you can get to Emerson in style) can't, again you kicked the board  and replied " he cant rock." without giving a single argument to support your claim
Now your final response is "I understand Rock you don't"

Just think something, Progressive Rock, even Symphonic is not classical music, it's Rock, if you don't understand Rock you don't understand Progressive Rock.

Iván


Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 27 2012 at 11:48
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NickHall Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2012 at 17:13
wow he seems to have touched a raw nerve. Me thinkest thou doth protesteth too much.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sturoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2012 at 22:55
Rick  is actually a very funny fellow ck these clips out :
just follow parts 1- 4



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsnC70QSRtU
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2012 at 01:29
^ I also used to enjoy his rants about the railways and such like when he had his weekly radio show on Planet Rock radio.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The_Jester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2012 at 19:19

He's one of my favorite keyboard player and composer of all time. This guy knows how to play music. He's got musical knowledge, technical abilities and plenty of great original ideas.

La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JeanFrame Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2012 at 03:38
Wakeman the Prince; Emerson the King; but the most powerful and dynamic Hammond player of them all was Ritchie.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FunkyHomoSapien Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2012 at 03:47

mmmm, I always get riled when Ritchie is compared to these two greats. He was the first lead keyboard guy, but does that mean he was that great? Good but not great IMO.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Green Shield Stamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2012 at 15:35
Although Rick Wakeman is one of the architects of Prog, many people (including ardent Yes fans) are only familiar with a small number of his solo albums (Journey, Six Wives, King Arthur, Criminal Record).  A great shame - because out of the 80+ studio albums he has recorded there are many that are well worth exploring.  He has also released some brilliant live albums.  I am currently listening to this:

It is an excellent album!
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Absolutely outstanding keyboard man who breathed life into synthesisers and symphonic sound.
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