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    Posted: March 30 2012 at 00:36
Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine

Originally posted by Zombywoof

"We Have Heaven", again. What's everyone's problem with "5% For Nothing"? Aside from "The Fish", its my favorite solo piece on the album.
It's kind of annoying and out of place.

I remember someone said that before. I perceive it as redundant, too. But let's see what Zombywoof says he likes about it ... if he will.
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It's all these dumb short tracks that keep Fragile from being a masterpiece. It's a shame really.
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Originally posted by Horizons

It's all these dumb short tracks that keep Fragile from being a masterpiece. It's a shame really.

Dumb? 
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Originally posted by irrelevant

Originally posted by Horizons

It's all these dumb short tracks that keep Fragile from being a masterpiece. It's a shame really.

Dumb? 

Looks like we will just have to accept the idea that our arguments will never end and we can't persuade one another.


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq


Originally posted by Zombywoof

"We Have Heaven", again. What's everyone's problem with "5% For Nothing"? Aside from "The Fish", its my favorite solo piece on the album.

Can you expand on why you like 5%? I mean, I can see Bill trying hard on a tiny syncopated pattern. And the track hangs between 'South Side of the Sky' and 'Long Distance Runaround' for the dynamics and mood contrast purposes. But none of those work for me. What's your beef?


I have a taste for bizarre, 'uneven', and disjointed sounding music. I don't know if its in a weird time signature or not, but it certainly sounds like it is. I like the way it might sound like a total mess to some (many on PA, in fact!) and like a coherent piece to others. I guess its my inner MOI and Univers Zero fan!   

Also, the bass groove rocks on that one. I find it impressive that the band is able to pull off stuff like "South Side of the Sky", such an epic piece, then turn around and hold something weird like 5% together as an ensemble. Its such an amazing feat, in my opinion, and proof of how eclectic they once were.

I relistened to "Fragile" last night (I have the MFSL version from a few years back ... what a thing of beauty!) and was a lot more impressed with it than I'd previously been. I know I have some kind of reputation among my friends as NOT being a Yes fan and in particular, a Jon Anderson fan, but something about the album as a whole 'clicked' for me for the first time. Here's what I think: there isn't a weak track on the entire thing! I even enjoyed "Cans and Brahms" and "We Have Heaven". The band had a real 'classical' tinge to their compositions that I hadn't picked up on before and I really enjoyed it. I'll have to start digging out Yes albums again, perhaps now is the right time!

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5% for Nothing.
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It would be a shame for 5% to go. It really is an amazing short piece.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Zombywoof Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2012 at 07:11
Originally posted by Snow Dog

It would be a shame for 5% to go. It really is an amazing short piece.


Right on!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Moogtron III Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2012 at 07:28
Originally posted by Zombywoof

Originally posted by Snow Dog

It would be a shame for 5% to go. It really is an amazing short piece.


Right on!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote dennismoore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2012 at 11:55
Originally posted by darkshade

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.


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Heart of the Sunrise was surely original back in the day, but it has not worn well.  It/s unfair to put a throwaway like five percent for nothing up against it, either.
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Originally posted by dennismoore

Originally posted by darkshade

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.


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Originally posted by dennismoore

Originally posted by darkshade

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:16
Originally posted by dennismoore

There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.

For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.

Dennis, everyone has his or her own criteria for critical evaluation of various tracks. According to my criteria, 5% doesn't work for me, but it works for Zombywoof with his own criteria. Our standards are just incompatible together, I suppose. My standards also tell me that there are other tracks that can actually show what Bruford was about unless he was really proud of 5%. 

Also, we can impose our opinion on others as much as we want to, but I doubt that it is ever going to work. The best we can do is listen to music on our own terms instead of arguing with each other in an unintelligent fashion, no offense to everyone here (I hope the phrase "no offense" will work here).


Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 30 2012 at 12:20
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Horizons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:16
Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine

Originally posted by dennismoore

Originally posted by darkshade

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.
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I don't think Fragile is a masterpiece. Shocked
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Originally posted by Horizons

Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine

Originally posted by dennismoore

Originally posted by darkshade

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.
wat

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I don't think Fragile is a masterpiece. Shocked
No kidding. Ermm
 
I personally do. It took me a while to get into, now I love it to death.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by dennismoore

There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.

For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.

Dennis, everyone has his or her own criteria for critical evaluation of various tracks. According to my criteria, 5% doesn't work for me, but it works for Zombywoof with his own criteria. Our standards are just incompatible together, I suppose. My standards also tell me that there are other tracks that can actually show what Bruford was about unless he was really proud of 5%. 




Hey, it's only music, after all!
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5%, though it ain't bad I reckon.  
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Originally posted by Zombywoof

 
Hey, it's only music, after all!

And the best thing we can do is enjoy it, ... if we can Wink . Specifically for that group. The implication being that you would play in that way in King Crimson and in King Crimson al... . Oops, sorry LOL . Hell, I might like this track just before I die of cancer at age 68.


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