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Poll Question: I love prog, and consider myself to be:
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    Posted: March 30 2012 at 22:07
What with the elections in the US beginning to heat up, I'm wondering how prog listeners position themselves politically. Not simply American prog listeners, but all of us.

At first I was going to have a myriad of choices (e.g. Maoist, libertarian, Marxist-Leninist, Trotskyist, radical right, progressive left, anti-capitalist environmentalist, etc.), but I foresee disaster. So I decided to simplify it, and use the tried-and-true "Left-Right" paradigm rooted in the French Revolution, using this criteria (courtesy of Wikipedia):

"Traditionally, the Left includes progressives, social liberals, social democrats, socialists, communists and anarchists [and I would add environmentalists]. The Right includes conservatives, reactionaries, capitalists, monarchists, nationalists and fascists [and I would add, probably most libertarians]."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_politics



Edited by jude111 - March 30 2012 at 22:11
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And what does this have to do with prog, exactly?

Anyway, I'm a conservative, so I suppose that puts me on the right, though the left-right spectrum is very flawed, at least the way the wikipedia article you cited defines it.
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Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

And what does this have to do with prog, exactly?


Everything. TongueCoolLOL

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

Anyway, I'm a conservative, so I suppose that puts me on the right, though the left-right spectrum is very flawed, at least the way the wikipedia article you cited defines it.


Fair enough. I agree somewhat. For example, that particular quote lists "nationalists" as rightwing, when nationalism historically cannot be reduced to either. (For example, many anti-imperialist movements - usually thought of as being leftwing - were nationalist movements with alliances between many factions, including far left and far right groups.)

Originally posted by Logan

Moved this as it's not about progressive music.  


Ah, no problem. This is the first time I created a poll, and didn't realize it was in the "music" category. Now I understand "Ambient Hurricanes"' statement, LOL. Sorry ' bout that Wink


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Moved this as it's not about progressive music.  As people are Prog fans generally at this Prog site, the I love Prog and  seems a bit superfluous.  Though it is interesting to relate one's political positions with ones taste in the arts.  I have wondered if people who listen to certain styles of Prog might be more likely to have similar ideological views -- for instance, more lefties who listen to RIO/Avant and Krautrock, and more righties who listen to Prog Metal and Neo Prog.

Anyway, I actually don't love prog, just some/ a lot of progressive rock and Prog umbrella music, and I am something of an anarcho-communist.
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Right of center, if you put libertarians and those close to anarcho-capitalism and minimal government in there. 
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Left, although my beliefs usually correspond to anti-conservative sentiments.
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Southern nationalist/anarchist. Where does that put me?
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I disagree with the parameters.  You cannot measure political persuasion this way.  Dividing into "left" and "right" like this has been an effective way of getting people to accept authoritarianism by drawing arbitrary lines in the sand.  If you wish to view politics as a flat spectrum then view it as a sliding scale from anarchy/libertarianism, at one end, to authoritarianism, on the other.
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Just took one of those political quizzes that puts your political position on a chart, here's where I got.

A little out there? Embarrassed
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This is quite interesting considering that Rush requested / ordered US politican broadcaster Rush Limbuagh not play their music as they felt the association inappropriate.

Just wonder why and how those more closely involved with the above (Yes, I know a reasonable bit about the Priests of Syrinx, even if the are, apparentlym from time to time the "Plumbers Who've come to Fix Your Sink"...) - might view this turn of events?
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Just a bit left of center.  I hate extremists on both sides, but I hate the right more.
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Extreme Center. 
Excuse me, sir, do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Neptune, god of the Sea?
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Originally posted by manofmystery

I disagree with the parameters.  You cannot measure political persuasion this way.  Dividing into "left" and "right" like this has been an effective way of getting people to accept authoritarianism by drawing arbitrary lines in the sand.  If you wish to view politics as a flat spectrum then view it as a sliding scale from anarchy/libertarianism, at one end, to authoritarianism, on the other.


There are problems with your "libertarianism to authoritarianism" scale. As far as I can tell, there's no difference between Sweden and Nazi Germany - they are both "authoritarian" because they have rather large governments. Unlike Somalia, which enjoys freedom, because they have no pesky government interference, raising unwanted taxes to build unwanted and undesirable wastes like hospitals and schools and electric power plants. That is to say, it seem that on your scale, Somalia *would be* libertarian, and Sweden, Norway, North Korea and Nazi Germany would all be authoritarian to varying degrees. I'm not sure many would agree with this...


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Originally posted by infocat

Just a bit left of center.  I hate extremists on both sides, but I hate the right more.


I may be wrong but isn't hate rather (ironically) extremist? I am in this quandarry as well as extremism is another -ism causing schisms.
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Extreme Center. 


More extremely centrist than I? No way bro, I am so centrist I'm all over the map.
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