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    Posted: April 08 2012 at 15:05
Originally posted by lazland

Thanks Charles for the latest vids.

Well, Davison is almost pitch perfect, and has a far more natural range for Yes songs than David did. That much is clear.

Downes has clearly upped his game, and Howe is still incredible. These are not perfect quality videos, so the fact that Squire still sounds awful singing (but, to be fair, class on bass) and White seems completely lost in the mix could be down to the recording quality. I don't think so, but, it might.

I am, however, far too damn stubborn and an Anderson fan to really forgive them for what happened. It still leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

What we are watching is a better Yes than that with David. Still not as good as the "real thing", though, in my opinion.

You are most welcome!  And, I agree with all you have said!  Yes was FAR more than the sum of its parts, and the parts are just not so easily interchanged.  Seeing Jon Anderson perform "The Revealing Science of God" solo, accompanying himself on a Kurzweil keyboard, was transcendental.   This band is just grabbing at past glories. 

However, if we are watching the slow-motion death of a once-wonderful band, I'd much rather see them go out with even the tiniest bit of class & quality than put the twirling Benoit David in front of everyone's nose!!  Davison ups the game significantly.  

At this point, they are only in it for the money.  I'm surprised that Squire hasn't teamed up with Coca-Cola or Watney's Red Barrel or other commercial entity for naming rights!!  

"And now, YES!!  Brought to you by Tesco, the finest supermarket in the land!"  

Ugh!!  
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Originally posted by frippism

And You and I wasn't bad. I swear though, that Alan White, ever since "Relayer" has not played good drums even once. 
Well that's a bit mean, but he's just so wrong for Yes, know what I mean? I don't know what made him so good in "Relayer" but it was gone with GFTO.


You've said it.  I wonder how they would be with a really good drummer?  Perhaps they might actually approach the tempos of the original recordings?  Or would that put too much strain on their aging bodies?
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Originally posted by frippism

And You and I wasn't bad. I swear though, that Alan White, ever since "Relayer" has not played good drums even once. 
Well that's a bit mean, but he's just so wrong for Yes, know what I mean? I don't know what made him so good in "Relayer" but it was gone with GFTO.


You've said it.  I wonder how they would be with a really good drummer?  Perhaps they might actually approach the tempos of the original recordings?  Or would that put too much strain on their aging bodies?

I wonder if Bruford will ever return...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lazland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2012 at 12:07
Originally posted by frippism

Originally posted by infandous

Originally posted by frippism

And You and I wasn't bad. I swear though, that Alan White, ever since "Relayer" has not played good drums even once. 
Well that's a bit mean, but he's just so wrong for Yes, know what I mean? I don't know what made him so good in "Relayer" but it was gone with GFTO.


You've said it.  I wonder how they would be with a really good drummer?  Perhaps they might actually approach the tempos of the original recordings?  Or would that put too much strain on their aging bodies?

I wonder if Bruford will ever return...

No, for two reasons:

He can barely stand the sight of Squire, and
He's retired from music.


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Originally posted by cstack3

I'm surprised that Squire hasn't teamed up with Watney's Red Barrel...
 
Chuck,
 
Are you from England originally?
"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2012 at 17:27
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Originally posted by cstack3

I'm surprised that Squire hasn't teamed up with Watney's Red Barrel...
 
Chuck,
 
Are you from England originally?

No, sadly, I'm a product of the suburbs of Chicago!  

Growing up, I was really into the British invasion, Carnaby Street fashions, all that stuff!!   We were inundated with it over here...British is cool, US not so much!  

Life eventually led me to Exeter, Devon in 1994, on an extended consulting project.  Let's just say that the country got under my skin!!   I'd move back in a minute & will once my fortune is in hand!  

Funny how everyone wants to move to America, isn't it?  

Chicago is very livable, Wishbone Ash with Andy Powell will be playing in a nearby pub in a few weeks!  
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No, sadly, I'm a product of the suburbs of Chicago!  

Growing up, I was really into the British invasion, Carnaby Street fashions, all that stuff!!   We were inundated with it over here...British is cool, US not so much!  

Life eventually led me to Exeter, Devon in 1994, on an extended consulting project.  Let's just say that the country got under my skin!!   I'd move back in a minute & will once my fortune is in hand!  

Funny how everyone wants to move to America, isn't it?  

Chicago is very livable, Wishbone Ash with Andy Powell will be playing in a nearby pub in a few weeks!  


Ok, the Watney's Red Barrel thing threw me.Wink

Chicago is very cool place to live I say.

Who exactly are these people who want to move to the USA?  I personally do not know of any except for very poor 3rd worlders.
"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2012 at 22:55
Originally posted by dennismoore

 
Ok, the Watney's Red Barrel thing threw me.Wink

Hah!!  Actually, that's from Monty Python's Flying Circus, you silly lupin!!  LOL

WRB is actually not that bad, but I became addicted to Murphy's stout & some of the regional ales (Speckled Hen etc.).

It really irked me to go to a pub near Exeter University and seeing students paying good money for Budweiser beer to be "cool"!!  Ugh!!  

Anyway, back to topic...seems like Jon Davison has given this creaking remnant of Yes some new life!   I'll be curious to see if they steal Davison away from Glass Hammer!! 

Cheers, Dennis Moore!

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Went along to the Yes concert in Melbourne last night. Just to bring up a few points that people have made here before I get into the actual concert:

Chris Squire (Yes) is only touring because of the money? About one third of the concert is devoted to material off their new album, “Fly From Here”. Since the intellectual property of the band lies in the songs they record in the studio, I would applaud the band for going out on the road to promote and sell the new material (I would think that Trevor Horn has a vested interest in the band going out on the road as well)? You could make a stronger case for Jon Davison going out on the road for the money.

Yes are too old to tour? Tony Bennet is still going strong at 85. Anton Rubenstein wasn’t a bad classical pianist into his eighties. Chris Squire is a baby in those terms at about 65. I was just glad that Squire made the decision to tour which gave me an opportunity to get to hear him perform in Australia.

Yes have slowed down over the years? No evidence of that from last night. This is not the same band of Tales or Relayer or even Magnification. Wakeman and Moraz add a completely different dynamic to the band. A closer approximation would be to the band that recorded the Drama album in 1980 and I can’t tell any slowing down of the tempo between the recording of the Drama album and the band I listened to last night. The core nucleus of the band since 1972 has been Alan White and Chris Squire and if anything, Alan White plays at a tempo I find too fast.

Chris Squire can’t sing any more? From where I was sitting I thought he was in fine voice. Maybe when others heard him perform he had a chest infection or was suffering from jet lag.

Yes isn’t Yes without Jon Anderson?  I thought Jon Davison did a fine job of covering for Benoit David. Davison doesn’t posses the high notes of Jon Anderson but even Anderson has trouble these days reaching those notes and Davison seems to know his limitations and stays within those. For a guy performing in his fourth or fifth Yes concert I thought he meshed really well with the other band members without imposing his personality into the music. If I was to assess his performance I would have to say he neither adds nor subtracts from the quality of the whole should Jon Anderson resume his spot in the band.

Having got that out the way I thought it was a really good concert last night. Steve Howe was absolutely on top of his game and he and Geoff Downes seem to fit each other’s style on the stage together. My main quibble is that I couldn’t pick up a lot of Squire’s bass work. I was seated right of stage near the front of the stage and close to the right hand speakers and directly in front of Squire and behind him elevated was White’s drum kit. I was getting a lot of the bass drum in my ears and not much bass guitar. Funnily enough, when Squire moved to the centre of the stage and did the intro to “heart of the sunrise” in the second half of the concert the bass work was a lot clearer. As for the new work, the “fly from here” suite may not reach the same heights as some of the classic longer works such as “close to the edge” or “awaken”, but it certainly sounds a lot better performed live in concert than the studio recorded version. For some reason the drums are turned down in the studio version making it somewhat lifeless and almost semi-acoustic in feel. Performed in concert this work is a lot more rockier with Alan White’s drums coming on much more fuller.

Overall, I really had a good time at the Yes concert, which took me back almost 40 years when I first heard the band perform. It wasn’t a perfect concert. I went primarily to watch the new material performed live on stage and was pleasantly surprised that it surpassed my expectations. The older material while well performed I enjoyed a little less. It would have been nice to have heard “And you and I” performed with Rick Wakeman playing the keyboard part, but Geoff Downes is a more natural fit for Steve Howe’s playing style in my opinion.   

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Post Options Post Options   Quote infandous Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2012 at 08:36
Thanks for the report, very interesting.

To be fair, I think most of us are commenting on what we've heard and seen in YouTube videos, so our opinions are not really based on the full concert experience.

Personally, based one what you have written, I still have no real interest in seeing this version of Yes, though it is good to hear that they are actually featuring the new album heavily.  That didn't seem to happen as much with some of the more recent albums of the past.

However, I still hold that the tempos are too slow, and that ruins a lot of the material for me (I base this on live albums and DVD's, as well as the YouTubes I've seen recently).  As far back as the Keys live stuff, I've been disappointed with White's drumming, but I certainly can't say any of it was bad.  Just too slow and simplified, for my taste and compared to his fantastic drumming in the 70's.

As for the age thing, I have no issue with them doing it for as long as they want to and can manage it.  More power to them. I'll just not be very interested in seeing it, that's all.
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Originally posted by infandous

I'll just not be very interested in seeing it, that's all.
 
Why not?
 
I would see any incarnation of Yes with any of the two, Howe and SquireSmile Even without the two I would probably go seeing them anyway, just for curiosity and support - if nothing else for a future constellation of Yes that would actually kick some ***.
 
However, I do miss the spirituality of Jon Anderson though, both lyrically, inspirationally and by stage presence. He always seemed to be in a different co-existent Yes world/mode on stageThumbs Up If his vocals are lacking let soundalikes take over (as presently) but let him do guidevocals or something on stage to train the youngsters and add that extra stage presence that will attract more audiences. Lets face it, being the lead vocals he would probably have the be the one that faded out of Yes before anyone else. But he can still make significant contributions to Yes - inb the studio and on stage.
 
Approve?


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Why not?  Because I love Yes' best work so much, I just can't stand to see it played so limply I guess.  That, and I'm just not interested paying good money for a band that is basically washed up creatively (since they didn't even write most of Fly From Here, I hardly credit them with that album at all).  They are still good instrumentalists sure, especially Howe.  I just haven't heard anything interesting from them since 1980.

Also, there is nothing wrong with Anderson's voice.  He could easily be touring with them and putting these cover band guys to shame (as good as Davison is..........and I like his work with Glass Hammer.......he's no Jon Anderson).  He doesn't want to do it, and for whatever reason, neither does Squire want him in.
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According to celebritynetworth.com the original members of Yes, Squire, Anderson, Howe, White and Wakeman are worth 45 million each. They've sold over 50 million albums, plus all the residuals they receive from classic rock stations through out the world. Squire is very frugal with his money. I think they tour because they like to be on the road to perform. They are performers and love what they do. But then again you never know. A fool and their money are soon to part ways. I have been a Yes fan for over 40 years. My first successull business I made millions blow it and went broke. I got another shot at it five years later and have been retired since age 36 that was 18 years ago. Most people never get a second chance. It's not how much you make it's how much you get to keep!

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Originally posted by planz

According to celebritynetworth.com the original members of Yes, Squire, Anderson, Howe, White and Wakeman are worth 45 million each. They've sold over 50 million albums, plus all the residuals they receive from classic rock stations through out the world. Squire is very frugal with his money. I think they tour because they like to be on the road to perform. They are performers and love what they do. But then again you never know. A fool and their money are soon to part ways. I have been a Yes fan for over 40 years. My first successull business I made millions blow it and went broke. I got another shot at it five years later and have been retired since age 36 that was 18 years ago. Most people never get a second chance. It's not how much you make it's how much you get to keep!


Great post!  May I send you the finalized business plan for my algae biofuel startup?  Vinod Khosla is already vetting us!  

Rock music is notoriously rough on the pocketbook, I'm quite surprised if the founding members (excluding Banks and Kaye) have that type of fortune, but they may have much of it locked into land & other investments.  Howe lives somewhere in Devon, UK near Exeter and seems to be a gentleman farmer, so that type of worth is realistic considering the value of farmland, old houses etc. 

I'd guess that Wakeman is doing better than any of the rest, with his resurgent career in television, writing and the like.  

Supposedly, Yes were on financial death's door when Trevor Rabin came in & engineered their stunning comeback with 90125.  I suppose that padded the accounts for quite a while.  They all impress me as being frugal. 

As long as they have fun & give the crowd their money's worth, I could care less.  I'll see Andy Powell and Wishbone Ash in four days for $25 US, and get to meet Andy & the band after the show (it's at a nice pub near Chicago), so I'll cherish that more than another Yes concert.  They start to blur together after a while. 


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the trouble is they ARE a sad shell of former selves; too many lineup changes and general irrelevance; sad to see a fine band end this way, good for only nostalgia.
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