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    Posted: April 11 2012 at 14:09
I am a music theory NUT. But I do not know chord names, I only know how to structure them.
 
I got a great 4 chord structure down.
 
Can you guys name these chords? Also, feel free to use this structure in anything cause I believe in free music and anything that was taken from me I see as a compliment.
 
These are guitar chords btw and starts with the lowest string ending with the highest. (An X means not to play that string)
 
Chord 1- X B F# A D (I know this one be easy)
Chord 2- X D F C B A
Chord 3- X F A G G B
Chord 4- X D# A G G X
 
 
 
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I'm not the best at this my self, but I'll give it a shot:
Chord One: B Minor 7
Chord Two: ?
Chord Three" F9 (no 5th)
Chord Four: D#5 Diminished
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How the ^%$# do you play these chords, have you got 20 inch hands? The Gs in these F9 and D#5 are 6 frets apart, and the D# and A make the distance even bigger. Impossible - unless you play them as single notes only?
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Originally posted by Angelo

How the ^%$# do you play these chords, have you got 20 inch hands? The Gs in these F9 and D#5 are 6 frets apart, and the D# and A make the distance even bigger. Impossible - unless you play them as single notes only?


x, 8th, 7th, open, 8th, 7th.
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Chord two: beautiful. Dm6/7.

Chord 4: A dim 7


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Originally posted by clarke2001

Originally posted by Angelo

How the ^%$# do you play these chords, have you got 20 inch hands? The Gs in these F9 and D#5 are 6 frets apart, and the D# and A make the distance even bigger. Impossible - unless you play them as single notes only?


x, 8th, 7th, open, 8th, 7th.

Aarrghhhh.... the bass players allergy got me there Embarrassed. I avoid open strings when I can, but that saves you a few fingers indeed. LOL
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I write weird chords because I play backwards stringed. My low strings are on the bottom and high strings are on the top.
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When I do these kind of things, it really doesn't matter what the chord names are, as you're a little outside diatonic theory. Often some of the open strings are functioning as a chord while what you're fretting is a melodic element. When you think that way, often the harmony is pretty straightforward. But in the end, it doesn't matter. Play what sounds good to your ear.

What tuning do you use?
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Smurph

I write weird chords because I play backwards stringed. My low strings are on the bottom and high strings are on the top.



Now that is cool.  I have a friend who does that.  It really makes you think differently, which is great for generating new ideas.
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Haha plus playing backwards is a great gimmick because everyone thinks I'm better than I am. They can't figure out what I'm playing.
 
And I play in drop D because its easier to do bar chords. And then I can also play chords set up like this - G D G A# D A and it creates pretty dischords. I like to play 5 string chords on the bottom with my index and pinky while using my thumb, ring, and middle finger to create a melody on the high E.


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Not all chords can be named according to 'traditional' music theory.
The fact that  you're looking for names is suprising on its own...

Now that you have your series of letters and numbers that a few people would actually understand, what will you do with them?

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No, it's possible to give a name to pretty much any combination of notes used as a chord; jazz musicians do it quite often.  While it isn't necessary to know the names to play music, it is handy when trying to convey ideas to other musicians.  Also, knowing the names of the chords and how they are functioning in a piece often makes it easier to solo over them.
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Originally posted by spknoevl

No, it's possible to give a name to pretty much any combination of notes used as a chord;

I don't agree. This can become misleading, especially if the bass plays a bit freely. In these cases, I find it better to only trust your ears (while knowing the notes composing the chord) if you want to solo/improvise.


Originally posted by spknoevl

 While it isn't necessary to know the names to play music, it is handy when trying to convey ideas to other musicians.  Also, knowing the names of the chords and how they are functioning in a piece often makes it easier to solo over them.

That is true most of the time, I agree.
In the case decribed here, it is quite possible that playing the chord base note as the bass note will not sound 'as desired' all the time...

On a piano, this is even more true as the notes can be more sparse, and it would be harder to determine a clear 'bass' note.
When I play D A C E on a piano, I cannot decide wheter this is Am4, D9 or C2-6 (I don't know if the last two notations are correct). I need to know what came before, what will come after...
Just saying, there are notable exceptions, and communicating using chord names with 4 characters or more can be dangerous.

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Well, I'm in agreement that, with the example you give, how the chord is functioning  would donote the name.  However, if you're playing D as your lowest note, it could be named as a slash chord eg.  C6/D  or Am/D.  Again, a fairly common practice in jazz.  C6/D and Am/D are both common substitutions for D7 and D9.  Also, a free-playing bassplayer should be freer to incorporate other chordal tones into his playing if he/she knows the name of the chord and how it is functioning.

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