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desistindo
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desistindo
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Posted: April 13 2012 at 13:32 |
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I ve never showed my editions for any artist, so i cant say if they felt insulted or not. As I said before, its only for personal purposes. And I think this is pure conservatism bullsh*t. I remember reading some time ago that one guy recorded all the White Stripes songs adding bass guitar. He showed it to Jack White and he loved. It was when Creative Commons (CC) beggun to be take seriously. We have to get rid of that old mentality of "I listen what the artist wants me to listen", this is rubbish. Its almost like if you were thinking in a Renaissance way, contemporary art and modern hermeneutics goes far beyond the usual composer view, you can listen as you want and discover new interpretations for it. And I think prog fans, more than other kinds of fans, have the habit of consider "all that is prog is genious". Thats not true and you know when you listen to some parts of the song and think "that sucks, but i like the rest of it". So, like any kind of music, there is bad stuff. Why cant you addmit there is bad stuff even by your favorite artists? But I would never edit a Beatles song or a Jazz song or a Blues song, because it all has an own dynnamics. As i sad before, Prog tracks, sometimes, has many excesses is its conception and the multiple angles of it make possible multiple variations. And I have spoken. |
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HolyMoly
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Posted: April 13 2012 at 13:42 |
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Have fun with it, I say. Just be careful not to misrepresent the artist's work, and make it clear that it's your own edit and not the work of the original artist. This shouldn't be a problem since you say it's only for personal use, but if you ever intend to share it, make sure you're clear it's not the original work.
edit: oh, another thing. Don't try and sell it. That'd be illegal. But you probably knew that. ![]() Edited by HolyMoly - April 13 2012 at 13:59 |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: April 13 2012 at 13:48 |
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I have spoken?
Sorry man, but that is hilarious. One thing is to edit a track because there is an ambient section of about 4 minutes. Another thing is to edit because one thinks he/she can do better than the artist. I still don't believe it is a good idea. Too easy and comfortable, but then again I am partial to mistakes. I rather like imperfections, and no it has nothing to do with any form of sacred belief that artists solely have the right and all that, although that may also be true. It has something to do with having the ability and patience to sit down and listen to an album from start to finish. |
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desistindo
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Posted: April 13 2012 at 15:23 |
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Oh yeah, you definally have spoken (i was consciously pretentious) . But i dont wanna make the impression i am a sort of "easy listener of prog". Its just that isnt every time i have the condition to prepare my Victorian
chair, choose the best wine in my cellar, seal all the doors, cutting
the phones and finally listen to the album. What im trying to say is that listen to an prog album doesnt mean that you have to make a liturgy about that, i listen to prog albuns even in crowded
subways. Its funny, cause this thread confirms
my impression that most of PA members are purists. IHS.Edited by desistindo - April 13 2012 at 15:26 |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: April 13 2012 at 15:41 |
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You can call it whatever you want, I don't mind you having a bit of fun with the music. No matter how I prefer it myself - all I was pointing out, and has done so since the start of the thread, is just that we as modern day people need our quick fixes. There is seldom any time for an entire album, which is a shame.
It is fine if you can do that too, and truth be told, I also enjoy music that cuts up different pieces of existing music - paste it all together and swoosh: a brand new piece of music is born, ie The Prodigy. I just get a bad taste in my mouth, when we deliberately herald our fast modern times, where we are able to pick and choose within a time frame of minutes - what type of music to listen to, and then not really commit - jump straight over to another one - and then another. It diminishes the work - and erases the journey. I just think some(not you specifically) have lost the gift of real submersion, that's all I am saying really. Sorry if this sounds like I was having a go at you in particular, but I am rather taking a swing against the itunes culture.
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Smurph
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Posted: April 13 2012 at 15:46 |
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You should edit down the actual SONG Frances the Mute
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Mutez
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Posted: April 13 2012 at 15:51 |
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I will admit that i have edited songs before and re-arranged them, but dont think ive ever done it to any progressive rock/metal songs before.
Such as i re-arranged my dying brides song for my fallen angel, the instrumentals in that song go on way too long before singing happens again, and just for fun once i edited bathorys song one rode to asa bay, and made it an instrumental, as i didnt like his singing in it. What you do with your own songs like others have said in this thread is your own business really, if it floats ur boat, do it lol.
Personally i think to do it to a prog rock/metal song kind of defeats the purpose of it all. Its like for example if you concise the pink floyd song Time, you kill what its meant to be about.
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