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Poll Question: Which most closely matches your beliefs?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2012 at 08:42
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Logic isn't necessarily subjective, but saying logic disproves all theism shows pretty flawed thinking capabilities.  I'm sure happy for you that you understand the universe more than anybody else ever has.
What I mean by logic is subjective, is that it is open to interpretation. There maybe a pure, unsubjective logic that runs the universe, but as you said, without being a full and complete Turing machine with access to all knowledge, its impossible to be completely adherent to it.


That's not true and that wouldn't make logic subjective.

What makes it subjective is that we must chose axioms and rules of inference. The most obvious example would be the law of the excluded middle. Intuitively, it appears to make sense at first, but the certainty of it really seems to melt down especially with developments of the 20th century.

Anyway, I'm between C and D. I act on the hypothesis of there being no God, but I admit the non-zero probability that it exists.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2012 at 09:39
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

God exists. He speaks to me all the time.


That's not true, we only have contact via the Just For Fun section!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2012 at 09:39
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Logic isn't necessarily subjective, but saying logic disproves all theism shows pretty flawed thinking capabilities.  I'm sure happy for you that you understand the universe more than anybody else ever has.
What I mean by logic is subjective, is that it is open to interpretation. There maybe a pure, unsubjective logic that runs the universe, but as you said, without being a full and complete Turing machine with access to all knowledge, its impossible to be completely adherent to it.


That's not true and that wouldn't make logic subjective.

What makes it subjective is that we must chose axioms and rules of inference. The most obvious example would be the law of the excluded middle. Intuitively, it appears to make sense at first, but the certainty of it really seems to melt down especially with developments of the 20th century.

Anyway, I'm between C and D. I act on the hypothesis of there being no God, but I admit the non-zero probability that it exists.
I think you misunderstood me, because that's actually what I meant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2012 at 10:28
I suppose that I did, but my comment still stands about the Turing Machine. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2012 at 20:30
Used to be quite anti-religious.  Warming to it again as the journey moves along.  I've had some personal experiences in the last year which have helped me see things a bit clearer.  But I've never claimed to "know" what the truth is and I never will.  I'll believe what brings me peace and not sweat the details.   Smile



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2012 at 08:05
I believe in Bill Murray


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 02:12
I am only firm for two things, Atheism.... and...... oh nevermind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 02:22
I believe there is nothing worth calling God. Nothing anywhere near resembling an all-powerful being pulling strings and all that. There may be some weird, deeper level to the universe, and maybe that can or cannot be understood by humans. The real issue is is there anything out there worth worshiping, sacrificing to, appeasing, pretending like you give a sh*t about church for, or anything even sort of worth believing through faith based on shaky evidence? And that answer is no.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2012 at 04:09
Actually, the success of D here shouldn't be so surprising in hindsight. Prog fans tend to be on the intellectual side and intellectuals tend to be less religious.
 
(Note: This is not the silly "religious people are stupid" argument and shouldn't be responded to as such. Intellectual is not the same thing as intelligent.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 11:23
Also, it's the internet. The only holy name on here is Richard Dawkins, lol. Jesus hasn't figured out how to use computers yet, but he's a 2000 year old Jew, so I wouldn't expect that to be forhtcoming, lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 12:41
Wait, Jesus DOES know how to use a computer: he has a blog! Filled with cute kitten!

Well, at least, that's what Hikaru Nakamura says in his mangas...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 13:11
Used to be D, have slowly moved into B territory, where I am today, and where I think I'll stay. Okay.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 13:20
All religion post-1979 lacks the production values to make it worthy of listening to.  Pre-1980 religion is where it is at.
 
 
 
And C for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:09
Failcore: Yeah, the internet *hates* religion. Which is probably why religion is doomed, I don't think they can get around that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:19
The internet is antisemitic. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:22
The people who use the internet are antisemantic
What?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 18:01
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The people who use the internet are antisemantic


Oh, they are!  They make me so angry I literally stab myself in the face!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 18:53
That's racist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 18:53
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The people who use the internet are antisemantic


Oh, they are!  They make me so angry I literally stab myself in the face!
I can't find the link now but the same source you used yesterday in an article about politicians recently had one where it was said that you can definitely, totally, literally use 'literally' in the way you just used it and be correct in your use of the language. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2012 at 18:55
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

That's racist.
You have been manipulated by the media. 
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