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Sagichim
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Topic: Is the first Prog album usually the best? Posted: April 24 2012 at 06:45 |
What i mean is that in a lot of cases i happen to love best the first album i hear by any band, and i must wonder if it's because of the album or because it's my first encounter with that band?
It's not a rule but it happened to me quite a lot. Examples: Beardfish - sleeping in traffic 2, Camel - Mirage, Caravan - If i could..., Deep Purple - Deep Purple, Genesis - Selling England..Jethro Tull - Aqualung, and a million more.. So what do you think?
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 06:48 |
I would say sometimes. Definitely not always. But some example of it are Relayer, Selling England By The Pound, Warrior On The Edge Of Time. Very much depends on the album though because these are great albums anyway. On the other hand I prefere Wish you were Here to DSOTM and I got the latter first.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 06:54 |
I've found that a lot of times I'll get into a new band via their current album, love it, and follow the band moving forward - but then get disappointed by each subsequent release. Almost like the band peaks just as I'm getting into them, and then goes downhill as I continue to get excited and then disappointed with each new release.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 06:56 |
Pink Floyd is a good example, they have a few albums i would consider as good as the other but WYWH is my favorite? I think it's because i heard it first! Does that make sense?
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 06:56 |
HolyMoly wrote:
I've found that a lot of times I'll get into a new band via their current album, love it, and follow the band moving forward - but then get disappointed by each subsequent release. Almost like the band peaks just as I'm getting into them, and then goes downhill as I continue to get excited and then disappointed with each new release. |
Happened to me with Dream Theater - Scenes...
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 07:31 |
sagichim wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
I've found that a lot of times I'll get into a new band via their current album, love it, and follow the band moving forward - but then get disappointed by each subsequent release. Almost like the band peaks just as I'm getting into them, and then goes downhill as I continue to get excited and then disappointed with each new release. | Happened to me with Dream Theater - Scenes... | It is an interesting topic, and makes one think of creativity vs. Psychology. I had the same reaction with Scenes From a Memory - I discovered DT right after that album, it was my favorite and nothing could ever quite match up to it. But I've found with them, and with all my music, albums go up and down over time on my scale - some albums I loved on first listen, then over time I've discovered they didn't interest me much any more, while others I didn't like right away but later became my favorite. Some bands do seem to use up their store of creativity on the first album, and some bands just keep getting better and better, but I find I can never decide one way or other without giving myself time to digest and re-listen.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 07:37 |
It happens quite often. It's even called "first heard album syndrome".
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 07:37 |
I think it's mostly to do with it being your first encounter with the band. I find it interesting that bands like Yes or Genesis have a generation gap between some of their fans because of the fact that many of them discovered the band at different phases of their careers.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 07:40 |
Sometimes it is, sometimes it's not. Everything depends on everything...
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 07:52 |
Genesis: no
Yes: no
ELP: debatable
King Crimson: debatable
Renaissance: no
Kansas: no
Rush: no
Jethro Tull: no
Van Der Graaf Generator: no
Gentle Giant: no
Pink Floyd: no
As far as the classic prog giants, the answer is generally no.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 08:47 |
Evolver wrote:
Genesis: no
Yes: no
ELP: debatable
King Crimson: debatable
Renaissance: no
Kansas: no
Rush: no
Jethro Tull: no
Van Der Graaf Generator: no
Gentle Giant: no
Pink Floyd: no
As far as the classic prog giants, the answer is generally no.
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As a matter of interest, which were these albums that you don't consider their best? And, for each band, which better album did you hear later on?
I'm partly thinking that maybe you didn't read the first post properly....
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 09:42 |
I do have that when there is a movie made of some book: I often like the movie better if I saw that one before I read the book, and I often like the book better if I've read it before I saw the movie.
With prog: it doesn't work that way with me.
My first Genesis albums were Duke and Live, and I like Selling England and And Then There Were Three better. My first Yes album was The Yes Album, and now I like Going For The One best My first Caravan album was For Girls, and I like Cunning Stunts and Grey & Pink best My first Floyd albums was WYWH, but I like DSOTM better. My first KC album was ITCOTCK: okay, there it happened, but that's because I started out with the album that got the best critical reception.
It's true though that a first album of a band which is to become a band that you love, that it often makes a strong impression.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 09:43 |
Sometimes a track or an album can have a sentimental attachment, if you hear it first. Other times it depends on whether or not you hear the best album first.
I heard In the Court of the Crimson King by King Crimson first and it was definitely all downhill from there. ELP got better every time they released an album, at least up to Brain Salad Surgery.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 10:05 |
Any time you encounter something new for the first time, the novelty is going to have a certain emotional impact. Hence the famous sophomore slump. Without the newness, something else has to pull the listener in.
Some bands do such dramatic re-making of themselves that they can capture some of that over and over. Madonna made an art of this. As much as people say they want to hear the old styles, it almost never works.
Personally, I'd heard many modern Genesis albums before getting SEBtP, which nothing has quite matched for me. So I don't know if that counts.
King Crimson for sure not, I really don't like ITCOTKC and I'd heard it many times before finally finding LTIA and starting to understand what the hoopla was about.
Pretty much mixed results as I run various bands through my head.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 10:27 |
It has happened to me a few times, but mainly for personal reasons, not because the quality of the music. This goes mainly with my favorite bands. That first album represents my introduction to a great band, like King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Camel, etc. The first album I heard got me hooked, and that's the reason I like it so much.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 10:30 |
Not with great bands with a deep catalog but possibly with 'good' or very good bands. Certainly happened to me with Camel.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 10:45 |
Negoba wrote:
Any time you encounter something new for the first time, the novelty is going to have a certain emotional impact. Hence the famous sophomore slump. Without the newness, something else has to pull the listener in.
Some bands do such dramatic re-making of themselves that they can capture some of that over and over. |
Yes my thoughts are in this direction, i guess it's the new feeling that pulls you in and have a deeper impact on you. Of course it doesn't happen all the time, especially with bands having a wide discography or that were able to reinvent them selves again like KC. Bands it didn't happen for me, just to name a few are: KC, Yes, Black Sabbath, Banco, and Gentle Giant.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 11:01 |
Let's see:
Gentle Giant: Heard first - Free Hand Favourite - Free Hand
Cheer-Accident: Heard first - Not a Food Favourite - Babies Shouldn't Smoke
Hatfield And The North: Heard first - Hatfield and the North Favourite - The Rotters' Club
King Crimson: Heard first - Larks' Tongues in Aspic Favourite - Red
Don Caballero: Heard first - Don Caballero 2 Favourite - Not sure
Yes: Heard first - Close to the Edge Favourite - Close to the Edge
Mr. Bungle: Heard first - Mr. Bungle Favourite - Unsure but maybe California
Frank Zappa: Heard first - One Size Fits All Favourite - One Size Fits All
Egg: Heard first - The Civil Surface Favourite - The Polite Force
Meshuggah: Heard first - Chaosphere Favourite - Not sure
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 11:13 |
Stool Man wrote:
Evolver wrote:
Genesis: no
Yes: no
ELP: debatable
King Crimson: debatable
Renaissance: no
Kansas: no
Rush: no
Jethro Tull: no
Van Der Graaf Generator: no
Gentle Giant: no
Pink Floyd: no
As far as the classic prog giants, the answer is generally no.
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As a matter of interest, which were these albums that you don't consider their best? And, for each band, which better album did you hear later on?
I'm partly thinking that maybe you didn't read the first post properly.... |
Yes, you are right - I skimmed the OP, thought it meant teh band's first was their best.
For me, in most cases my favorite of each band is not static.
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 11:41 |
Not 'best' but maybe a higher opinion than one might otherwise have had. A case in point for me is that the first Yes album I heard was Tormato and I still have a soft spot for it. However, I can put myself in the shoes of a fan who had been following them from the early days and see how their opinion might differ from mine!
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