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    Posted: February 15 2013 at 23:35
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Had the album been shorter and gone something like this, it could have been a good album:
1.  No Son of Mine
2.  Jesus He Knows Me
3.  Driving the Last Spike
4.  Dreaming While You Sleep
5.  On the Shoreline
6.  Living Forever
7.  Fading Lights


I love Genesis but  Disapprove


Fair enough.  Not my favorite song either, but was trying to come up with at least 7 songs out of the 14 recorded during the sessions (at least enough to make a 45 minute album).  I ran out of songs.  Although, I'm not that offended by the song I Can't Dance, so perhaps that could replace Living Forever. 


You could have put Hold On My Heart
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I thought Hold On My Heart was Sleepy
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Originally posted by The Doctor

I thought Hold On My Heart was Sleepy


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I actually like Genesis's Trespass and FGTR albums, though I can't stand Abacab or Calling all Stations.
Pink Floyd's Final Cut is just weak for me, my friend tries to convince me that MLOR and The Division Bell are greater than Meddle and Wish You Were Here, but I can't see it. I personally love the late 80s rush like Grace Under Pressure and some of Hold Your Fire. I can't stand post-Tormato Yes up until Fly From Here. Kansas's Audio Visions and up is good but lacking, and I can't get into the post-Fish Marillon or Post-Neal Spock's Beard

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I actually like Genesis's Trespass and FGTR albums, though I can't stand Abacab or Calling all Stations.
Pink Floyd's Final Cut is just weak for me, my friend tries to convince me that MLOR and The Division Bell are greater than Meddle and Wish You Were Here, but I can't see it. I personally love the late 80s rush like Grace Under Pressure and some of Hold Your Fire. I can't stand post-Tormato Yes up until Fly From Here. Kansas's Audio Visions and up is good but lacking, and I can't get into the post-Fish Marillon or Post-Neal Spock's Beard
 
Trespass is rarely thought of in these circles as a low point in Genesis' career.  Quite the contrary, it is generally well-liked. 
 
Hmmm.  I love Abacab, like Calling All Stations and the Final Cut.  Post-Tormato Yes was definitely hit or miss, but there were some great ones (Drama, 90125, Talk, Keys To Ascension) and some real duds (Open Your Eyes). Do like 80's Rush a lot, except for Hold Your Fire (it's too soft rock for me).  And post-Fish Marillion has done some amazing stuff.   
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I realize that Trepass is generally well received here, but the critic seem to hate it, and the band themselves try to ignore it completely. Stagnation is one of my favorite songs by them, and have dedicated a lot of time to finding multiple bootleg versions of it as unlike most of their songs, the lyrics change from version to version and each one is more profound than the last.

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Originally posted by Astral Traveller

I actually like Genesis's Trespass and FGTR albums, though I can't stand Abacab or Calling all Stations.
Pink Floyd's Final Cut is just weak for me, my friend tries to convince me that MLOR and The Division Bell are greater than Meddle and Wish You Were Here, but I can't see it. I personally love the late 80s rush like Grace Under Pressure and some of Hold Your Fire. I can't stand post-Tormato Yes up until Fly From Here. Kansas's Audio Visions and up is good but lacking, and I can't get into the post-Fish Marillon or Post-Neal Spock's Beard


I don't think Grace Under Pressure and Hold Your Fire are the "dark side" of their discography Stern Smile
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Originally posted by Astral Traveller

I realize that Trepass is generally well received here, but the critic seem to hate it, and the band themselves try to ignore it completely. Stagnation is one of my favorite songs by them, and have dedicated a lot of time to finding multiple bootleg versions of it as unlike most of their songs, the lyrics change from version to version and each one is more profound than the last.

Don't the critics hate every single Genesis album?
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Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul

Originally posted by Astral Traveller

I realize that Trepass is generally well received here, but the critic seem to hate it, and the band themselves try to ignore it completely. Stagnation is one of my favorite songs by them, and have dedicated a lot of time to finding multiple bootleg versions of it as unlike most of their songs, the lyrics change from version to version and each one is more profound than the last.

Don't the critics hate every single Genesis album?
 
So what? ... Since when are "critics" the "RULE" as to what is good or bad? Further more, the critics are never remembered in history ... except maybe Salieri,. but he came over to this side for a while!
 
Let's see ... we can add Ravel, Debussy, Stravinsky, Mahler, Tchaikovsky (but a rich woman liked him!) ... you want more? ... where "fans" and "classicos" and "idiots" and "morons" (want more?) decided they did not like the music and thought it was bad ... ooohhhh by the way, guess who is remembered in the history of music?
 
So, tell me, you gonna suck it up to the critics? They really knnnnnnooooo music, I bet!  Including me! ... you have to learn and live by yourself, not anyone else's ideas or thoughts!
 
G'night! Sleep tight! Dream and enjoy the music! And forget the critic!
 
(Now you know why I do not consider myself a "critic" ... because I am a person with feelings, not a critic!


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I really like Yes' The Ladder and Magnification I think is in their top 5 albums (forgetting about Time is Time and Don't Go of course) 
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Originally posted by JocBT

I really like Yes' The Ladder and Magnification I think is in their top 5 albums (forgetting about Time is Time and Don't Go of course) 


Clap   same here Wink


Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - March 15 2013 at 03:14
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Originally posted by moshkito

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul

Originally posted by Astral Traveller

I realize that Trepass is generally well received here, but the critic seem to hate it, and the band themselves try to ignore it completely. Stagnation is one of my favorite songs by them, and have dedicated a lot of time to finding multiple bootleg versions of it as unlike most of their songs, the lyrics change from version to version and each one is more profound than the last.

Don't the critics hate every single Genesis album?
 
So what? ... Since when are "critics" the "RULE" as to what is good or bad?

Since never, and neither did I say so.

Regarding the actual topic at hand, there aren't many artists whose "dark side" I'm familiar with. There are always so many supposedly great albums to check out that it leaves little time for those that most people seem to hate anyway. But of course, some artists fascinate me so much that I want to go beyond the commonly accepted "classics" and check out their other material. And though I find myself agreeing with the naysayers most of the time when it comes to an artist's dark side, there are exceptions. Among the notables: Outside and Reality by David Bowie; Duke, Abacab and Genesis by Genesis; Broadsword and the Beast by Jethro Tull.




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I admit I love Gensis "We Can't Dance" album, this is far from the classic era but it's a great progressive pop album imho Smile
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