2112 vs. A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers

Catcher10 wrote: Rush will still be playing 2112 when 2112 arrives.....

2112 easily!

2112 (as long as I can have the Different Stages version)

Not even a contest. Plague easily for me. Not that there's anything wrong with 2112. It's just that Rush were not in their mature phase when they recorded 2112. Their best came later with albums starting with Hemispheres and continuing through Moving Pictures and Signals.

Hercules wrote: BaldJean wrote: Hercules wrote: Epignosis wrote: While not even close to my favorite Rush songs, I'll take almost anything over Pawn Hearts.   I agree completely.   But as everyone in my local prog group says, this site is full of VDGG fanboys, so they'll win. this place is at least equally full of Rush fanboys   Well I would argue that Rush have a vastly bigger fanbase than VDGG (who were an extremely minor prog band in the 70s), so that's not a surprise.   I am (I think) the last survivor on progarchives from my local group (100++ members) and several have commented that they got sick of the fanboys of certain bands - mainly VDGG, King Crimson amd Dream Theater. Certainly, when we meet, none of those bands feature anything like as hugely as they do on here and they rarely if ever ever win polls for best anything.   And it's not an age thing - as well as those like me (60+ proggers from the late 60s/70s), there are plenty of university students as well.

Every big prog band has fanboys here really. It's just haters notice the fanboys of what they don't like more. Like I tend to notice the Rush fanboys most since I think they're the most boring band in all of prog. But complaining because people like a band is just plain silly.  A song wins because more people like it than the other song. If you want to just blame it on fanboys, that makes no sense because they're like that because they like the band. Complaining about people liking a band is pretty silly.

Edited by DisgruntledPorcupine - May 01 2012 at 12:13

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Hercules wrote: BaldJean wrote: Hercules wrote: Epignosis wrote: While not even close to my favorite Rush songs, I'll take almost anything over Pawn Hearts.   I agree completely.   But as everyone in my local prog group says, this site is full of VDGG fanboys, so they'll win. this place is at least equally full of Rush fanboys   Well I would argue that Rush have a vastly bigger fanbase than VDGG (who were an extremely minor prog band in the 70s), so that's not a surprise.   I am (I think) the last survivor on progarchives from my local group (100++ members) and several have commented that they got sick of the fanboys of certain bands - mainly VDGG, King Crimson amd Dream Theater. Certainly, when we meet, none of those bands feature anything like as hugely as they do on here and they rarely if ever ever win polls for best anything.   And it's not an age thing - as well as those like me (60+ proggers from the late 60s/70s), there are plenty of university students as well. Every big prog band has fanboys here really. It's just haters notice the fanboys of what they don't like more. Like I tend to notice the Rush fanboys most since I think they're the most boring band in all of prog. But complaining because people like a band is just plain silly.  A song wins because more people like it than the other song. If you want to just blame it on fanboys, that makes no sense because they're like that because they like the band. Complaining about people liking a band is pretty silly.

Agreed, and there's nothing wrong with being passionate about one's favourites.  What one finds good is a matter of taste, and as long as people aren't disrespectful of others tastes or excessively negative, and don't try to claim that they know better what is good and bad, nor try to dominate every topic by talking about their favourite bands, and what they dislike, then I see no problem.

How were these so-called fanboys ruining these acquaintances of yours PA experience when it came to discussion about music? I've always found that there was space here for a wide-range of discussion about different groups.  What rather taints my experience is that a lot of the non-Prog  music I love doesn't seem to be appreciated by many here, but I don't blame the Proggers for it.  Nor does it bother me that the prog-umbrella music I like best is hardly the most popular here. If someone, or worse, a group of people, seems to go out of his way to express his distaste for, for example, King Crimson and VdGGin various topics, and makes various disparaging comments towards music that he doesn't appreciate, calls it bad etc, (and sometimesthe people are really not familiar enough with the the band or musical idiom to constructively comment on it), well that's the kind of attitude that can drive people away.  There's nothing wrong with one person preferring Camel to King Crimson or vice versa, as long as people don't act like what they like is better.  Of course some do and many of us do sometimes, but I think the majority of PAers are more mature than that most of the time.  Maybe thing were different before?

I have heard that there was a time when this site was swamped with DT fans, which can be a pain for having discussion about other music since other topics drop off the page quickly, and they might might be talking DT in topics about non-DT type music, but I wasn't really around then so don't know how it actually was (hearsay).  Nor with other bands if there has been similar fanboyish behavior where the fans of certian bands try to dominate the board with discussion about their favourite band.

I appreciate the passion of people who want to share their passion for certaian bands/albums, but it can go overboard, and can be difficult when there are many of the same musical clique doing the same (say, as I have seen happen, when people come en masse to PA from a band website to push their agenda).

I think the point Hercules was making is that there seems to him to be an unnaturally high amount of VDGG fans here considering their popularity in the seventies. He feels they are over representeted  when compared to the national average. As evidenced by his own Prog group I suppose.

VDGG weren't very big in the UK in the seventies. But no one was compared to Yes, Genesis and ELP. Italy has always been more receptive to alternative - to - pop music as far as I can tell. Rush were pretty big I remember. They were certainly doing big concerts.

Logan wrote:   Rush is popular outside Prog/ underground music circles,

Hercules wrote: Snow Dog wrote: I think the point Hercules was making is that there seems to him to be an unnaturally high amount of VDGG fans here considering their popularity in the seventies. He feels they are over representeted  when compared to the national average. As evidenced by his own Prog group I suppose. In think it's kind of nice that they have found more fame at last.   Completely correct.   The thing about my local group is that we are mostly British. The fact that progarchives has a more international base may account for the very different tastes. VDGG were never a major band in the 70s in the UK but they did have some success in Europe (mainly Italy, I think). I suspect many on here are also new converts to prog and my experience is that they tend to favour the more experimental side (eg Mars Volta, Zappa, King Crimson, SGM) with an almost messianistic zeal.

Edited by bucka001 - May 04 2012 at 04:49