Does the average person know what prog is?

Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: ..and I'm bigger than you. I can't run but I can hide

Dean wrote: call me ignorant of the facts and I'll agree with you, call me ignorant and I will want to punch your lights out.               ...yeah, I am that brave behind a keyboard.

Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Ignorant is fine. How can it be harsh? The word comes with no agenda. It can if used as a noun and not an adjective, as in: "the diference[sic] between ignorants and average people" Even so "ignorants" in itself is not offensive but may be intended to be and offense may be taken because the word does seem to be offensive. I've always maintained that if a word can be taken two ways then it should be avoided. Unfortunately it's down to basic misuse - the cold, hard dictionary definition of ignorant carries no offensive meaning and the correct noun for a stupid person is ignoramus, which means "stupid or ignorant person"... which begs an offensive use for the phrase "ignorant person", ie ignorant=stupid - which does not appear in the dictionary You could be right about not using a word if you think it will cause offence. That is so like you. I on the other hand......well you know I am blunt. Strange that "stupid" comes into the meaning when the word is ignoramus though. But to call someone an ignoramus is definitely meant to be offensive. Lard and Brick are inoffensive words with no offensive meaning, yet if I call you a tub of lard I am being offensive, but if I call you a brick I'm being complimentary.   Words mean what words mean - however that meaning changes with usage.   elitist means: 1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources. 2. a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class. b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class. ignorant means: adj. 1. Lacking education or knowledge. 2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake. 3. Unaware or uninformed. overrated means: tr.v. o·ver·rat·ed, o·ver·rat·ing, o·ver·rates To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly. hm() We cannot change those meanings on a whim to mean something else unless common usage gives them another meaning. To call someone ignorant is to call them stupid, to say they are ignorant of some piece of escoteric knowledge is not being offensive - it's down to usage. As yet there is no common usage that grants "elitist" with any other meaning, however rhetorical the rhetorician is being; Overrated, it now appears, has a common misuse to mean "anything popular that I don't like" - and for me that remains a common misuse rather than common usage.

Edited by Snow Dog - July 02 2012 at 10:24

Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Ignorant is fine. How can it be harsh? The word comes with no agenda. It can if used as a noun and not an adjective, as in: "the diference[sic] between ignorants and average people" Even so "ignorants" in itself is not offensive but may be intended to be and offense may be taken because the word does seem to be offensive. I've always maintained that if a word can be taken two ways then it should be avoided. Unfortunately it's down to basic misuse - the cold, hard dictionary definition of ignorant carries no offensive meaning and the correct noun for a stupid person is ignoramus, which means "stupid or ignorant person"... which begs an offensive use for the phrase "ignorant person", ie ignorant=stupid - which does not appear in the dictionary

Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Ignorant is fine. How can it be harsh? The word comes with no agenda. It can if used as a noun and not an adjective, as in: "the diference[sic] between ignorants and average people"

Ignorant is fine. How can it be harsh? The word comes with no agenda.

dr prog wrote: Most young proggers don't even know what prog is. The music which was named prog was the music which was composed and played by people who were brought up with jazz, classical, folk and rock in the 60s. Unless you have skipped the 80s, 90s and 00s you won't produce the same quality songs which is known as prog. I've skipped those decades post 1983 simply because i don't rate the music most of the time

I probably didn't even know what Progressive Rock was, because nobody asked me that question.

 IMO it's the most artistic part of rock, complex in their composition most of the times, it ends up by being people showing what they know with their instruments but with people supporting them and doing the exact same thing , it varies from band to band, also the use of new instruments like Mellotron, Moog, Hamond etc. (I'm only remembering the keyboards/synthetisers, but that was one of the main instruments that changed prog). But then I, most of the times don't know the composition of most of the songs and I just know this sounds like some of the progressive rock songs, other times I don't know, it has so many sub-genres, that is hard to find a definition for it.

I know that some of the roots on progressive rock are classical composers like Bartok and Stravinski, Jazz and Rock, and I guess some Folk lyrics were there too. If there is anything else I should know more enlighten me.


My friends now (age 17-23), are not part of the average person group, they are ignorant, I mean really, really, really ignorant, so ignorant that they never heard the beatles and sang Queen songs, without even knowing they were from Queen, they thought that Queen was a gay group, in the soccer stadium they sang "We are the Champions", it wouldn't suprise me if they didn't know about Beatles or Pink Floyd (well they know at least "Another Brick on the Wall pt.2) In the end I tried to teach them, a useless effort, well one of them learned about Doors and Pink Floyd, so I guess that was close enough. It's hard to find somebody that likes prog, well even in my music school, the students are more inclined to the mainstream - Clapton, AC/DC, Beatles, Hendrix - and the new artists (I don't know any of them), but the teachers know and like progressive rock (my piano teacher spends 300 euro's a month in Vynil, most of them are progressive artists, so I guess I landed in the right place to learn more about prog). So I guess it's pretty hard to find Prog rockers.

And with this I explained the diference between ignorants and average people. I saw a person talk about it,so I ended up by explaining it. My friends suck... It's hard to discuss music around them and that hurts me.

Most young proggers don't even know what prog is. The music which was named prog was the music which was composed and played by people who were brought up with jazz, classical, folk and rock in the 60s. Unless you have skipped the 80s, 90s and 00s you won't produce the same quality songs which is known as prog. I've skipped those decades post 1983 simply because i don't rate the music most of the time

No, I don't think so, unless it's some of the bigger names like Pink Floyd, Yes, or Rush, but even then they will probably only listen to the "radio hits" from them, and not entire records from them.

darkshade wrote: ^ AAAHHHHH I was going to make that my sig!!! You beat me!!! Anyway, as far as I know, the average person DOES NOT know what prog rock is. Especially within my age group (18-26), most of them have no idea, though once in a while there will be someone who likes a band or 2 that can be considered prog, but they don't realize it. The average music listener also DOES NOT know what prog rock is, at least from my experience. A lot has to do with age, but this also goes along with being exposed to it. The average young adult is probably exposed to prog between the ages of 18-26 about 0.006% of that time, if they're "lucky". You have to search for it yourself if you ask me.

Edited by -Radioswim- - June 21 2012 at 00:05