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Guldbamsen
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Topic: Does the average person know what prog is?Posted: May 09 2012 at 14:34 |
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Had a guest (female of Japaneese origin, but that dosent actualy matter) so my wife was telling about the Wilson show we attended a week ago or so, the guest asks "what kind of music", I reply "its something called Prog. rock",
"Its rock with elements of Jazz" ...The guest looks confused, she dont get it.........and the talk goes on about Roxy Music and Other shows we have seen together.
Now islands (KC - the track, not the album) comes up, the guest looks at the speakers, saying, "but that is King Crimson, I know that much" , "I worked at a record store back then, and came across ELP album, with a cranium or something, (brain s s ?) after that i was all into ELP King Crimson and other bands like that, but i had no idear its called Prog. !!
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Posted: May 09 2012 at 14:37 |
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Well, I used to think this way, until I spent some time on the forums here ![]() I agree with you though. I find that there are "progressive" artists in every musical genre (nearly, anyway). But "prog" or "progressive rock" is, at this point, a fairly well defined genre. At least, that's what I think. You'll find quite a few people around these parts that disagree. |
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Posted: May 09 2012 at 14:41 |
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Sorry, wasn't trying to hijack the thread here, so I will respond to what seem to be the OP's intent.
Generally, people don't seem to know what it is unless I mention specific bands (usually I say Yes, Rush, early Genesis, ELP..........then they usually ask, "who's ELP?"). Even then I don't think they really know what I'm talking about. However, people who are musicians or just "serious" music listeners, will at least be familiar with the term and the most well known bands of the genre, while not necessarily knowing exactly what it is. But as I've said before, we prog heads are hard pressed to say EXACTLY what it is ![]() |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: May 09 2012 at 14:44 |
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![]() Funny how some things are. I've had similar experiences myself, but then again here in Denmark - I think it is the younger generation that persistently needs to box in music. If you attend a metal event, you'll hear about a hundred different names for each new band going on stage: Welcome on stage the band Koldbrand!!! They play micro-porn-grind-core-sludge!! ![]() Most people I meet, who know of Pink Floyd, ELP, King Crimson, Yes and all of the biggies - don't know the term prog unless they've come across this site. I didn't either actually.
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Well I used to do the predictable thing and say "Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Rush, ELP, Crimson etc" when people ask me what prog is but I think I'm going to start saying "Spock's Beard, Flower Kings, IZZ, Porcupine Tree, Mars Volta, Glass Hammer, Pendragon, IQ, Arena or whoever, Anyone but well known seventies bands. If they give me a blank look then I'll just say something like "well I bet you have heard of Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes and Jethro Tull." :P
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Posted: May 10 2012 at 02:34 |
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Posted: May 10 2012 at 03:42 |
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Does anyone a) know an average person, b) know what an average person is?
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Yes...an average person is anyone not in PA forums, on a regular basis. . . . . So its not possible to be an average person if you hang around in PA forums ? . . . . NO IMPOSSIBLE Edited by tamijo - May 10 2012 at 06:07 |
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I think the question b) is the most important. Any average person may have knowledge about an "esoteric" subject: some plumbers can be week-end entomologists with a good knowledge about the said subject, while your local postman could go on and on about astrophysics because he's reading three or four scientifical magazines. |
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Posted: May 10 2012 at 10:05 |
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All around. I try to talk about music with the "normal people" purposely to gauge reactions (yeah I'm a bored loser I know), and I guess I can only vouch for my experience but: no. The average person has no idea what prog is. They also tend to be mortified when I explain it (or listen if they are willing). I wish I was joking but mortified is pretty much accurate. This applies to the "average music fan" as well. Age...no idea, I'm probably too young to really say. It may be an issue of semantics. My parents, and people their age, know Pink Floyd, Rush, Frank Zappa, Genesis, a few others. But do they know what "prog is"? Again in my experience, it seems the answer is no. If you know what prog is, then you do. If you don't you dont. Age and anything else seems to have nothing to do with it. Edited by JJLehto - May 10 2012 at 10:07 |
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Posted: May 10 2012 at 10:47 |
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We can resolve it from reverse point of view:
Person, which knows what prog is, is not average! |
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 10 2012 at 10:49 |
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Some young people I've encountered have not even heard of Pink Floyd.
Heard of them :( Some who did were convinced I'm a drugged out hippie, or just laughed because that sh*t must be from like the 80s or something.... We can't remember past the latest hit after all! To some...rock is the devil. Seriously, you won't believe the comments I've gotten from some people my age about listening to rock music. Let alone prog. When I get into that I might as well sprout extra heads. Seriously, when we forget about PA and mingle with the masses it hurts how poor musical taste is ![]() Edited by JJLehto - May 10 2012 at 10:50 |
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Posted: May 10 2012 at 10:54 |
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Yeah...I have encountered this as well. But the percentages of people are so divided ..not only into seperate individual catagories themselves but groups who for the most part think the same....which derives from influences that take hold of their minds developing mentalities that progarchive members are aware of.
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Posted: May 10 2012 at 10:55 |
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Posted: May 10 2012 at 10:59 |
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