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    Posted: May 15 2012 at 13:14
Originally posted by richardh

I knew this to be true as a 13 year old but not so sure now. I rarely get the same affect from music I had then. Its hard to sum up the affect music has now but I wonder if when you are young the mind altering affect of music becomes less obvious over the years. No expert but at that age the brain is still creating connections and developing so music is more exciting (perhaps)
 
 
That's certainly true for me too. When i was younger I was much more receptive to music, I would pick it much faster and was more emotional about it. All the albums I discovered and loved until my teens I knew by heart after some listens, all instruments nearly note by note and many of the lyrics even when I knew little english back them.
Of the albums I have discovered in the last 10 years there are very few I know in such a detail, even after having listened to them many many times.
 
I guess it's because of a combination of factors. Surely our brains become less maleable with age, and we probably become less emotional and less influentiable. Many things other than music gain more importance in our lives. 
There may also be a quantitative element, the first 100 albums you come to love you can get to learn them by heart, but when you have listened to many hundreds or even thousands of albums it becomes increasingly difficult to retain all their details. 
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Originally posted by Gerinski

Music and the brain are connected in truly deep and misterious ways. The neurologist Oliver Sacks in his book Musicophilia explains many amazing cases he has encountered among his patients or via colleague doctors.
It's a couple of years ago I read it and I have very bad memory but a couple of cases I remember:
 
A 40-something year old doctor who had never had any special interest in music. No knowledge of classical music, the only music he knew of was mainstream pop-rock. He was struck by a lightning and had a near-death-experience. After his recovery he sudenly felt an unstoppable appetite for classical piano music and became obsessed with Chopin. Then he started to "hear piano music in his brain, coming from nowhere". He had to get a piano and started to teach himself so he could play the music that "was being sent to him from above".
 
Several cases where after a seizure of brain surgery the patient suffers musical hallucinations, or his perception of music radically changes, a music lover may become completely amusical or the other way around.
 
He also talks about the strange ability of absolute pitch and bizarre cases of musical savants, usually retarded or autistic people who have amazing musical powers, for example being able to know by heart thousands of operas and classical music pieces in full detail, with all their instruments note by note.
 
 
 
BTW this also hints at some connection between music and mathematics since this kind of phenomena appear also with mathematical abilities.
 
Perhaps the most famous case being the Indian mathematician Ramanujan who without having had any formal math education could "see the mathematical mindscape" and baffled the best western mathematicians with his theorems.
Or the also Indian Ms. Shakuntala Devi who in a test managed to find the twenty-third root of a two-hundred-digit number in less than a minute.
Or savant retarded people who can not add or multiply but can outdo a computer in finding prime numbers or can tell the day of the week of any date in a 40,000 year period.
 
It might seem that there is some Platonical realm of music, mathematics and perfect art which some exceptional brains are able to connect with. 
 
But I have to admit that unlike music I have trouble finding pleasure in mathematics, I'm interested in it but never had the ability... surely not a drug for me !
 
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Originally posted by smartpatrol

Yes, but the differance between music and other drugs is that the latter can kill and ruin people's lives, however, music can have the opposite affect.
Unless you are Niklas Kvarfoth or Deathspell Omega.
 
 
But really music is a drug. It is better than drugs. My family literally wants me to be sent to a psychologist for addiction to music because they don't like music. Or at least they have told me this as a threat because I'm not a mature adult because I put music before everything.


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Originally posted by Gerinski

Originally posted by Gerinski

Music and the brain are connected in truly deep and misterious ways. The neurologist Oliver Sacks in his book Musicophilia explains many amazing cases he has encountered among his patients or via colleague doctors.
It's a couple of years ago I read it and I have very bad memory but a couple of cases I remember:
 
A 40-something year old doctor who had never had any special interest in music. No knowledge of classical music, the only music he knew of was mainstream pop-rock. He was struck by a lightning and had a near-death-experience. After his recovery he sudenly felt an unstoppable appetite for classical piano music and became obsessed with Chopin. Then he started to "hear piano music in his brain, coming from nowhere". He had to get a piano and started to teach himself so he could play the music that "was being sent to him from above".
 
Several cases where after a seizure of brain surgery the patient suffers musical hallucinations, or his perception of music radically changes, a music lover may become completely amusical or the other way around.
 
He also talks about the strange ability of absolute pitch and bizarre cases of musical savants, usually retarded or autistic people who have amazing musical powers, for example being able to know by heart thousands of operas and classical music pieces in full detail, with all their instruments note by note.
 
 
 
BTW this also hints at some connection between music and mathematics since this kind of phenomena appear also with mathematical abilities.
 
Perhaps the most famous case being the Indian mathematician Ramanujan who without having had any formal math education could "see the mathematical mindscape" and baffled the best western mathematicians with his theorems.
Or the also Indian Ms. Shakuntala Devi who in a test managed to find the twenty-third root of a two-hundred-digit number in less than a minute.
Or savant retarded people who can not add or multiply but can outdo a computer in finding prime numbers or can tell the day of the week of any date in a 40,000 year period.
 
It might seem that there is some Platonical realm of music, mathematics and perfect art which some exceptional brains are able to connect with. 
 
But I have to admit that unlike music I have trouble finding pleasure in mathematics, I'm interested in it but never had the ability... surely not a drug for me !
 
 
Math used to work this way for me!!! I used to be very very involved in doing long division in my head and would be able to "see" things... but probably not NEAR to that guy's extent.
 
But about 5 or 6 years ago I started to replace that with all musical thought and it has kinda mixed the two. I also hear magical weird music in my brain and if you saw the mad ridiculous amounts of sheet music I have written you would believe me. But music has SUCH POWER. I can't fathom what it really holds. I would be happy simply locking myself in a room with unlimited food, time, and recording equipment, and simply sharing my music on the internet and never making contact with a human in real life ever again.
 
I mean, you can organize chords out of pure thought to create emotions based off music theory. How do you think they write pop songs? And this might have an effect on normal people, but to those that have opened their mind to the full spectrum of music, they require MUCH much more.


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I am hopelessly addicted to music.
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Originally posted by Smurph

 
 I would be happy simply locking myself in a room with unlimited food, time, and recording equipment, and simply sharing my music on the internet and never making contact with a human in real life ever again.
 
 
Pay attention, then IT IS like a bad drug, it's never good to get obsessed with anything, enjoy what you love but keep some room for other things in life.
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^Honestly, I love a lot of stuff in life, but would be perfectly content being a vessel for the creation of music. haha- And of course I would be in there with tons of video games for relaxation time. Tongue

 
And while it does sound good on paper, I'm sure the lonliness would get to me someday. Ha- I do realize this.


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Originally posted by richardh

I knew this to be true as a 13 year old but not so sure now. I rarely get the same affect from music I had then. Its hard to sum up the affect music has now but I wonder if when you are young the mind altering affect of music becomes less obvious over the years. No expert but at that age the brain is still creating connections and developing so music is more exciting (perhaps)
I find with myself that music is getting more and more exciting to hear, and i am appreciating it to a greater extent now than when i was younger
"and what music unites, man should not take apart"--Helmut Koellen                               
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If we can everything that releases dopamine or serotonin a drug, well then let's just add love, music, food, and masturbation to the list of drugs. A lot of things can be drugs, and it just points out how ridiculous the idea of controlled substances is, let alone drugs that have obvious demonstrable personal and/or social benefits like marijuana, peyote, mushrooms, ecstasy, LSD, and DMT. 
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No, music is not a drug. Drugs impose on your thinking and alter it by blocking its natural functions.

Music satisfies your brain as it is.
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