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    Posted: June 14 2012 at 08:54
My brother, who is an absolute genius,, has come up with a new theory about gravity. It goes totally against the grain, but it is, contrary to the current theory,, totally in accordance with the facts. He has an explanation why there is so much more matter than antimatter (it only appears so, but it is not true) and also for the fact that the universe expands faster than we should expect from the big ban (a fact which was only recently discovered).. He has to slaughter a holy cow of physics for that though: That holy cow is the belief that gravity is only an attracting force (it is a repelling force between matter and antimatter in his theory). The common belief is that there is no repelling gravitational force because if there was we would measure it.. But he proves that the gravitational effect between matter and antimatter can not be measured directly and that we have to rely on circumstantial evidence for it, and all this evidence points to the fact that that force is indeed repelling..

He also shows that general relativity predicts the existence of antimatter., thus combining the theory of relativity and quantum theory. He explained it all to me, and though I don't fully understand it it sounds totally brilliant.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 08:59
No offense to your brother, but these theories pop up all of the time. Plenty of people have hypothesized anti-gravity and used it to patch up lots of messy things in physics. The problem usually is that it requires them to break rather well established physical laws or present something as physics which is really just an exercise in pure mathematics.

Even if your brother's theory is correct, he has not proven anything. When I see some evidence, I'll consider it proved.

Anyway with that said, has he published his hypothesis?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 09:00
I always presumed anti matter was repelled from matter. Was I wrong?LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 09:01
The standard assumption is that anti-matter will exert an equal gravitational force on matter as an equivalent object of matter would exert on other matter.

Dissidents exist though who propose an anti-gravity repulsion, as well as a standard attraction at a different magnitude.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 09:15
But there is evidence for it. that's the point. As I already said, he has proven that the gravitational effect between matter and anti-matter can not be measured directly.and that it is a fallacy to think it can be measured. We have to rely on circumstantial evidence. And this circumstantial evidence all points his way.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 09:26
How would  you measure the effect of gravity between matter and anti-matter? It iss totally imposible. We only have anti-matter somewhere out in space, where we can not measure that effect, and in particle accelerators, where either the electromagnetic forces are too strong or the velocities of the particles are too high for the gravitational effect to be measured.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 10:01
It wasn't possible to measure the x-ray emissions of Cygnus X-1 2000 years ago, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. What does your point about the difficulties of measuring gravitational attraction between atomic particles show?

In any case, great you're saying he proved something. I haven't seen any of his work nor have you decided to show it.

I proved that P=NP last night. Go ahead tell me I'm wrong. What's your point here? I simply expressed my skepticism.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 10:46
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

It wasn't possible to measure the x-ray emissions of Cygnus X-1 2000 years ago, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. What does your point about the difficulties of measuring gravitational attraction between atomic particles show?

In any case, great you're saying he proved something. I haven't seen any of his work nor have you decided to show it.

I proved that P=NP last night. Go ahead tell me I'm wrong. What's your point here? I simply expressed my skepticism.

All of what my brother says is in accordance with what we observe, while the hypothesis that matter and anti-matter attract each other can not explain two phenomenons we observe. Onee is that there appears to be sol much more matter than anti-matter. If they attract we would expect them to mingle. The other effect that the universe exannds faster than we would expect from the big ban model (which the scientists currently try to explain with obscure "dark energies"). But both effects are predictions of my brother.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 11:13
My proof of P=NP is in accordance with what we observe. Give me my $1,000,000 please. I proved it.

There's plenty of proposed solutions to the issues you have brought up. The reason that we don't have a solution is because we don't have evidence for any of the proposed theories.

It's like talking to a serious Flat Earth Theorist. They can and do posit a slew of physical laws to show how the Earth can be flat in accordance with our expectations. However, the world still isn't flat. Physics isn't a deductive science.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 13:22
I'm with Pat on this one.
 
The idea that antimatter posesses negative (or anti) gravity is not new but since the gravitational reaction between matter and antimatter has not been observed nor has the effect of gravity on antimatter then any hypothesis that claims to be in accordance of what we observe does not imply accordance with what we can neither observe or even indirectly measure.
 
If this hypothesis has been published then it joins a long list of many.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 13:54
Title made me think of this:



That was my two cents worth. Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 14:49
I phoned my brother about this, and he just said this: "There is not a single observation that points to gravity being an attracting  force between matter and antimatter".. I have no idea if he is right, but perhaps you can say something to that.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 14:57
Gravity is an illusion planted in your minds by governments all around the globe...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 14:58
Gravity is God playing with his Yo-yo 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 15:44
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I phoned my brother about this, and he just said this: "There is not a single observation that points to gravity being an attracting  force between matter and antimatter".. I have no idea if he is right, but perhaps you can say something to that.


As far as I know that is accurate. I'm not sure what that matters though. There is not a single observation that points to gravity being a repelling force between matter and antimatter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 15:45
I'm afraid this is not new, unless your brother is italian
 
http://phys.org/news/2011-04-antimatter-gravity-universe-expansion.html
 
any ideas are worth checking but they must be formalized and they must pass rigurous testing, even if they are just theoretical and not testable with current technology. There are plenty of non-testable hypotesis in current physics and they are evaluated by how well they fit with everything else we do know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 15:45
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Gravity is an illusion planted in your minds by governments all around the globe...


You said governments as if there's more than one. Everyone knows that the NWO rules the globe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 16:10
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I phoned my brother about this, and he just said this: "There is not a single observation that points to gravity being an attracting  force between matter and antimatter".. I have no idea if he is right, but perhaps you can say something to that.


As far as I know that is accurate. I'm not sure what that matters though. There is not a single observation that points to gravity being a repelling force between matter and antimatter.

I phoned my brother again, and he said: "That is not true There are two observations for that. One is that matter and anti-matter appear to be segregated, which is in accordance with gravity being a repelling force between them but not if they attracted each other.  The other is tha thef universe expands faster than it should be expected from the big bang theory, which is a prediction if matter and antimatter repel each other. The "classic" theory can not explain that without violating Occam's razor."


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 16:18
??? "violating Occam's razor" ???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2012 at 16:37
Hello, I am Friede's brother. I got tired of her calling me all the time, so I signed up. Are you not familiar with the principle of Occam's razor?
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