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frippism
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Topic: Foxtrot or Fragile? Posted: July 01 2012 at 10:58 |
good albums
I went with Fragile
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peskypesky
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 10:41 |
VERY hard choice. Love both of those albums. I think "Foxtrot" is a stronger album all the way through, but "Fragile" has some of the greatest prog songs ever, so I voted tie.
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MonsterMagnet
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 10:18 |
+1 for Genesis
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Codera the Great
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Posted: July 01 2012 at 03:10 |
Foxtrot is an amazing record.
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Moonlightknight
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Posted: June 24 2012 at 08:54 |
Neither of these two albums are my favorites by either Yes or Genesis. Both to me are about equal in the quality of songs. For me the Fragile album would probably have to be my choice here but only by the slightest of margins. Both would be highly recommended to anyone just venturing into prog.
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HannesHolmqvist
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Posted: June 24 2012 at 08:47 |
I think Fragile is a more interesting album, because you're able to hear much how Yes made their music, more of the individual personalities. However, Foxtrot contains better, more enjoyble compositions. It also feels more complete, so I prefer the experience of listening to Foxtrot!
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wjohnd
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Posted: June 24 2012 at 02:31 |
Can't choose. They both have classic tracks as well as songs i don't care for. I'm more familiar with fragile, and therefore more cognizant of its flaws, but that doesn't mean foxtrot is better,so i'm going for a draw.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 23:52 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ You can't say this about all bands. Think Pentangle (jazz-folk) and Yes (symph rock) and KC (not so symph, but still classical rock).
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Yes, I was only making general observations and my point was more that hardly any bands combine all four forms - rock, folk, classical and jazz - and especially not in the same album. KC were more symphonic on ITCOTCK but they dispensed with that in the Wetton lineup. There is still classical, but of the un-melody variety that the doctor disapproves of.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 23:43 |
^ You can't say this about all bands. Think Pentangle (jazz-folk) and Yes (symph rock) and KC (not so symph, but still classical rock).
Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 23 2012 at 23:44
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 23:26 |
dr prog wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Maybe I won't run out of late 60s, 70s or early 80s. But I won't be getting into bands who formed after 1975 apart from bands such as uk and national health who were made of members of bands from pre 75. Modern bands will never have the right mix and they'll never have the right influences. Songs from the good days are just a few classes above. I prefer old prog bands who can mix it up a bit with melodies, rock and folk. So bands such as Crimson and Floyd probably don't even make my top 15 bands of the 70s. Gabriel Genesis doesn't make my top 10, but late 70s Genesis bring them into my top 10. I reckon Yes were not that great after 1972 either. I dodn't really care for experimenting and I don't really like fusion. It just sounds silly and annoying most of the time. The ultimate bands don't try to overdo it |
Bands mixing it up with melodies, rock and folk could be Decemberists, could be Joanna Newsom, even Mostly Autumn, any number of artists. Have you ever heard a modern music album from start to finish? If so, what was that wretched title that so permanently hoisted you into this ultimate closed minded view on music?
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Decemberists are bloody terrible lol. I'm talking about 70s style melodies. When classical and jazz combined with straight rock and folk |
What on earth is straight rock and which band, exactly, combined all four of these? The jazzier bands didn't have much to do with folk and the classically oriented bands were not so involved in rock. The one band that would fit your description to a limited extent is Magma and they were unique even for the 70s and certainly don't typify 70s prog.
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dr prog
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 22:57 |
rogerthat wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Maybe I won't run out of late 60s, 70s or early 80s. But I won't be getting into bands who formed after 1975 apart from bands such as uk and national health who were made of members of bands from pre 75. Modern bands will never have the right mix and they'll never have the right influences. Songs from the good days are just a few classes above. I prefer old prog bands who can mix it up a bit with melodies, rock and folk. So bands such as Crimson and Floyd probably don't even make my top 15 bands of the 70s. Gabriel Genesis doesn't make my top 10, but late 70s Genesis bring them into my top 10. I reckon Yes were not that great after 1972 either. I dodn't really care for experimenting and I don't really like fusion. It just sounds silly and annoying most of the time. The ultimate bands don't try to overdo it |
Bands mixing it up with melodies, rock and folk could be Decemberists, could be Joanna Newsom, even Mostly Autumn, any number of artists. Have you ever heard a modern music album from start to finish? If so, what was that wretched title that so permanently hoisted you into this ultimate closed minded view on music?
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Decemberists are bloody terrible lol. I'm talking about 70s style melodies. When classical and jazz combined with straight rock and folk
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 22:29 |
dr prog wrote:
Maybe I won't run out of late 60s, 70s or early 80s. But I won't be getting into bands who formed after 1975 apart from bands such as uk and national health who were made of members of bands from pre 75. Modern bands will never have the right mix and they'll never have the right influences. Songs from the good days are just a few classes above. I prefer old prog bands who can mix it up a bit with melodies, rock and folk. So bands such as Crimson and Floyd probably don't even make my top 15 bands of the 70s. Gabriel Genesis doesn't make my top 10, but late 70s Genesis bring them into my top 10. I reckon Yes were not that great after 1972 either. I dodn't really care for experimenting and I don't really like fusion. It just sounds silly and annoying most of the time. The ultimate bands don't try to overdo it |
Bands mixing it up with melodies, rock and folk could be Decemberists, could be Joanna Newsom, even Mostly Autumn, any number of artists. Have you ever heard a modern music album from start to finish? If so, what was that wretched title that so permanently hoisted you into this ultimate closed minded view on music?
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Wanorak
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 21:08 |
Foxtrot for me, a much more cohesive album.
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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dr prog
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 20:50 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
dr prog wrote:
But I won't be getting into bands who formed after 1975 apart from bands such as uk and national health who were made of members of bands from pre 75. Modern bands will never have the right mix and they'll never have the right influences. ... I reckon Yes were not that great after 1972 either. I dodn't really care for experimenting and I don't really like fusion. It just sounds silly and annoying most of the time. The ultimate bands don't try to overdo it |
My personal favorite:
dr prog wrote:
Modern bands will never have the right mix and they'll never have the right influences. |
That's a very naive statement to make, cap'n ... err ... doc. |
I know what I'm on about. Until I find a modern band that will happily make my collection I'll never rate modern bands. I reckon the only country who has continued the original style the most is France. They seem to have a good formula
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 19:52 |
dr prog wrote:
But I won't be getting into bands who formed after 1975 apart from bands such as uk and national health who were made of members of bands from pre 75. Modern bands will never have the right mix and they'll never have the right influences. ... I reckon Yes were not that great after 1972 either. I dodn't really care for experimenting and I don't really like fusion. It just sounds silly and annoying most of the time. The ultimate bands don't try to overdo it |
My personal favorite:
dr prog wrote:
Modern bands will never have the right mix and they'll never have the right influences. |
That's a very naive statement to make, cap'n ... err ... doc.
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dr prog
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 19:12 |
Maybe I won't run out of late 60s, 70s or early 80s. But I won't be getting into bands who formed after 1975 apart from bands such as uk and national health who were made of members of bands from pre 75. Modern bands will never have the right mix and they'll never have the right influences. Songs from the good days are just a few classes above. I prefer old prog bands who can mix it up a bit with melodies, rock and folk. So bands such as Crimson and Floyd probably don't even make my top 15 bands of the 70s. Gabriel Genesis doesn't make my top 10, but late 70s Genesis bring them into my top 10. I reckon Yes were not that great after 1972 either. I dodn't really care for experimenting and I don't really like fusion. It just sounds silly and annoying most of the time. The ultimate bands don't try to overdo it
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 12:12 |
-Radioswim- wrote:
Why does so much of this crap give joy and hope to millions? I'm of right mind to ask, but sure as hell have no right to answer that, as if I knew. Must not be crap after all... not to those millions anyways. |
I remember Mont Campbell of Egg saying "Nobody hears anything new, nobody expects anything new. Just like that." So, those millions probably haven't heard "better" music.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 23 2012 at 12:13
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HackettFan
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 03:29 |
Foxtrot to me is a weak album. The ones both before and after much better. But Genesis tells and musically illustrates better stories. So, I go with Foxtrot.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 01:03 |
dr prog wrote:
Why not I'm an Aussie in my 30's who never bothered with music after 1982. I just went straight to the 70s in my teens and have never looked back. I'm sure many in here have somehow been sucked into the American hard rock and metal of the 80s, 90s and 00s. I dunno how, it's crap |
I don't believe in pitying listeners for what choices they make, but your lot does merit that sentiment. After all, what are you going to do once you have run out of 70s classics to get? Because if you are then forced to change your mind about contemporary music just so you can listen to something else, you would not even know where to look for it. The music biz today is fragmented and scattered and it's hard to zero in on artists you can relate to, especially if one is far too specific in one's requirements from music. On topic, Foxtrot is a touch more consistent. Fragile's best moments are more brilliant. Coin toss...will go with Foxtrot.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 00:10 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
Five Perfect is a cool little exercise in syncopation that really should have been incorporated into another song. But I don't have a problem with it the way it is.
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I remember someone saying on YouTube that it sounds pretty complicated when in actual fact it is "deceptively easy to play". Someone tried playing it, and it was mostly a repeating pattern workout.
OK, now let's get back to the topic.
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