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HackettFan
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Topic: Prog's Most Controversial LyricistPosted: July 04 2012 at 00:20 |
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Yep, Zappa lyrics are controversial. Brilliant lyrics.
Some of the posts have been talking about controversy pertaining to whether they are any good or not, and others about controversy pertaining to content. I'm discussing the latter. The Musical Box has somewhat controversial content, but it's a ghost story. The Lamia? That gets a little dicey - Oh Lamia, your flesh I will take as my food. It is the scent of garlic that lingers on my chocolate fingers - but it's maybe not beyond the bounds of what we might anticipate from a vampire story. The Colony of Slippermen? Madonna move over. Peter Gabriel trumped you. |
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 04 2012 at 00:56 |
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Speaking of "The Lamia": I read Bob Christgau's review on "The Lamb" (which he gave B-, which is weird since I expected a lower rating from him for such an album), and he wrote that Peter was covering a few things for his lyrics like Greek mythology, sexual revolution, etc. I think sexual revolution is very much related to "The Lamia".
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Posted: July 05 2012 at 14:28 |
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And that's exactly what makes Waters' lyrics controversial. A 'dickhead' like him criticising poiticians while treating his fellow bandmembers like dirt is mere hypocrisy.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 05 2012 at 17:26 |
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^ I don't know if that's true that Roger treated his fellow musicians like that. There may have been some brawling, but that ... . Sounds like an exaggeration to me.
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Posted: July 05 2012 at 17:48 |
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Anthony doesn't like Waters because he has sad lyrics.
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In winter decay, when hope and plans seem all but gone
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Posted: July 05 2012 at 20:27 |
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Peter Gabriel is a lyrical genius I think. A bagfull of double-sensed sentences wich are very controversial if we understand their meaning. It remains very poetic in albums like the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
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Posted: July 06 2012 at 13:05 |
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Well, he actually behaved like a true Narcissist. Everybody was to blame but himself. On that tangent, you can say that his lyrics about empathy and social conciousness are just nice words. He just doesn't care about the people who surrounds him. A true hypocrite if you like. Don't think that makes his lyrics controversial though. Neither does the fact that he recently bought an island in the Carribean, for development into luxory holiday homes. I guess, if you earn a lot of money, you have to invest them in some ways, a Lear Jet or a football team (sic), (or fancy flats in London ( he's made his money work there as well). |
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 06 2012 at 13:10 |
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^ Didn't know any of that.
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Posted: July 06 2012 at 15:00 |
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Dave Cousins of The Strawbs was always a favorite of mine for lyrics like this:
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Posted: July 10 2012 at 06:03 |
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Uncle Frank is the first one that springs to mind, check out "Brown Shoes Don't Make It"
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Posted: July 19 2012 at 17:18 |
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Before Jon Anderson discovered the the Earth Mother and love is all around us his lyrics were thought evoking,stimulating and full of wonderment.Hammill in his glory days again was a lyricist I loved,but Fish for me is the best and consistently so,' Vodka intimate an affair with isolation ' what an opening line from a lyrical masterpiece. Insane insomniac plagued by prescient dreams. |
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 07:16 |
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Daniel Gildenlöw
Roger Waters Fish These three, in my opinion, can write the sadest (or in Gildenlöw's case even depressing) yet very inteligent lyrics Other good lyricists are: Ian Anderson (Aqualung and Thick As A Brick have both quite controversial and critical lyrics, often in a funny, not too serious way, I also like his more natur-related lyrics on Songs From The Wood or Heavy Horses) Peter Gabriel Cedric Bixler-Zavala Greg Lake also wrote some good lines, for example in Court Of The Crimson King or Tarkus |
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 12:55 |
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Anthony are you still in love with the gorgeous Heather? Havent been on the Dutch Prog for years and am seldom on here but good to see your'e still flaunting yourself with your picture. ![]() |
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 16:43 |
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And if Warhol's a genius, what am I,
a speck of lint on the penis of an alien buried in gelatin beneath the sands of Venus Belew
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Posted: July 23 2012 at 01:52 |
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I was starting to wonder if I'd have to throw Hammill into the ring myself. I entirely get what you mean and if you really pay attention, the lyrics rarely match the emotion of the music he sets. Just sit back and listen to Killer (especially in live versions). Jackson is squealing out something fierce on alto when Hammill's talking about living alone and craving companionship. It's just an unnatural choice. |
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Posted: July 23 2012 at 06:31 |
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Four pages and not one person has Mentioned.....
Neil Morse.............another example of how main-stream religion has made everybody (including all those who've contributed to this thread)....imune to to the total bullsh*t that is fed to children every-day.....(and gullible adults of course)......
When everybody laughs (until the hoots of derision can be heard in every corner of the globe!) at the pathetic thought-control books of the monotheistic religions, THAT is the day that mankind has truly arrived at the gates of true enlightenment......
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If music be the food of love......play on
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Posted: July 23 2012 at 10:47 |
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Part of the charm. And Man-Erg remedies this issue perfectly. |
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Posted: July 23 2012 at 11:04 |
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It definitely is. |
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Posted: July 23 2012 at 19:16 |
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...or the Gates of Delirium
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Posted: July 23 2012 at 22:42 |
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There are Neal Morse lyrics that are legitimately controversial; there was a discussion about Sola Scriptura not long ago, and I heard the opinion expressed that the album was offensive because it attacked the Catholic church. While I have nothing in particular against the album (although I don't agree with all of the theology and don't particularly like Neal's portrayal of Luther) I can see where it might offend Catholic Christians.
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