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    Posted: July 02 2012 at 19:53
Another one I was only reminded when reading the first post that I completely agree with is Gryphon's Midnight Mushrumps. Before coming to this site most people I talked to who knew Gryphon thought that Mushrumps was their best album, but Red Queen to Gryphon Tree beats it by quite a lot on this site (3.57 vs 4.13). He also mentioned Red Queen, but unless he meant that he thinks it should be ranked higher in the top prog folk or top 100 albums lists, than I disagree and find it accurately rated.

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Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by pfloyd

I was referring to both the score of an album, but also it's rank on the top prog albums list.  But anything goes, who really cares? 

I thought that would be the case, makes more sense than randomly reffering to another site or each persons own personal lists without saying so.

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Originally posted by Master of Time

Another one I was only reminded when reading the first post that I completely agree with is Gryphon's Midnight Mushrumps. Before coming to this site most people I talked to who knew Gryphon thought that Mushrumps was their best album, but Red Queen to Gryphon Tree beats it by quite a lot on this site (3.57 vs 4.13). He also mentioned Red Queen, but unless he meant that he thinks it should be ranked higher in the top prog folk or top 100 albums lists, than I disagree and find it accurately rated.

I think Midnight Mushrumps deserves close to or the same rating as Red Queen. I also think that one of Gryphons albums deserves to be in the top 100. 

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Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by Epignosis

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Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

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Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by pfloyd

 "Tarkus" is brilliant, but Tarkus has "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?"  Not exactly prog brilliance.

As for Brain Salad Surgery, we get "Benny the Bouncer" and frankly, "Toccata" is just awful.  Never liked it at all.

Interesting, I always enjoyed "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy," they kinda break the ice from the super intense opener. I also love "Toccata," when i'm in the right mood.  I see where you are coming from though, they kinda ruin the flow. and yes, "Benny the Bouncer" absolutely sucks. I guess ELP would be ranked higher on it's individual songs than its albums.  now get on that Astra review!
I think those kind of things are best left for the encore and b-sides of singles - I don't need light relief on a album.


I understand what he is saying though. I feel the same way about Moonchild on ItCotCK and The Story of the Hare who Lost his Spectacles on A Passion Play. I happen to think the ELP attempts at relief are rubbish though.

What about Moonchild is light relief?


You don't think so? It has a nice quiet twelve minutes of peaceful ambiance between the intensity of Epitaph and the title track.


The last nine minutes of "Moonchild" are what keep it from being five stars for me.


That seems to be how most people feel, but I need those nine minutes to prepare for the awesomeness of the last track.


Fine.  Stop the album and have a cigarette outside.  Then come back.
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Originally posted by sleeper

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Well the OP doesn't specify what rating system,  so my answer is based on the general level of buzz around the album, as are a few others here I suspect.

I think its pretty obvious the OP was reffering to this sites system, otherwise it would have been mentioned (If I'm wrong on this then the ct really has been put amongst the pidgeons.). And that UK album get's mentioned every single time there's a "which album do you think is underrated?" type of thread, so I think its got a very strong following.
 
Its not in the top 100 and only 86 among UK artists. Thats worth mentioning as possibly underrated considering some of the albums ahead of it.  
 It may be commonly accepted as a very good album, but I think thats not  giving it its due.  If  the consensus is that it does not merit a top 20 position then I would be interested in hearing what the criticisms might be,  since its difficult to know these things amongst the pigeons.
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Originally posted by Horizons

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To be honest on checking most of these the ratings look about right.

Have you heard Blue Lambency Downward?
Nope, I've only recently started checking out Kayo Dot. I have Coyote & like it. I'll check out some more soon. Should it be next?

Either BLD or Choirs of the Eye. The latters a classic, but if metal isnt quite your thing then BLD would be a better fit first. In the end though, get them all.Wink
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Originally posted by Stevo

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Stevo

Well the OP doesn't specify what rating system,  so my answer is based on the general level of buzz around the album, as are a few others here I suspect.

I think its pretty obvious the OP was reffering to this sites system, otherwise it would have been mentioned (If I'm wrong on this then the ct really has been put amongst the pidgeons.). And that UK album get's mentioned every single time there's a "which album do you think is underrated?" type of thread, so I think its got a very strong following.
 
Its not in the top 100 and only 86 among UK artists. Thats worth mentioning as possibly underrated considering some of the albums ahead of it.  
 It may be commonly accepted as a very good album, but I think thats not  giving it its due.  If  the consensus is that it does not merit a top 20 position then I would be interested in hearing what the criticisms might be,  since its difficult to know these things amongst the pigeons.

I thought it would be a little higher amongst the British lot, but then this country is probably better represented here on this site than any other.

As for the top 100, if everyboady put albums in that they thought absolutely had to be in the top 100 then it would be a top 1000!LOL
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Cheer-Accident - Salad Days. It's one of the best avant-prog albums ever and it's currently rated at 2.22. 

As much as I do find stuff to enjoy in this album, it's probably my least favorite CA thus far...

I guess all I can say is to give it more tries. I find it to be one of C-A's best. Smile 

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Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by Epignosis

Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by pfloyd

 "Tarkus" is brilliant, but Tarkus has "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?"  Not exactly prog brilliance.

As for Brain Salad Surgery, we get "Benny the Bouncer" and frankly, "Toccata" is just awful.  Never liked it at all.

Interesting, I always enjoyed "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy," they kinda break the ice from the super intense opener. I also love "Toccata," when i'm in the right mood.  I see where you are coming from though, they kinda ruin the flow. and yes, "Benny the Bouncer" absolutely sucks. I guess ELP would be ranked higher on it's individual songs than its albums.  now get on that Astra review!
I think those kind of things are best left for the encore and b-sides of singles - I don't need light relief on a album.


I understand what he is saying though. I feel the same way about Moonchild on ItCotCK and The Story of the Hare who Lost his Spectacles on A Passion Play. I happen to think the ELP attempts at relief are rubbish though.

What about Moonchild is light relief?


You don't think so? It has a nice quiet twelve minutes of peaceful ambiance between the intensity of Epitaph and the title track.


The last nine minutes of "Moonchild" are what keep it from being five stars for me.


That seems to be how most people feel, but I need those nine minutes to prepare for the awesomeness of the last track.
 
If you actually listen closely, some of the stuff they do in Moonchild is completely mindblowing.  The word-painting (the instrumental section mirrors the lyrics) is brilliant, and the interplay between the instruments is excellent.  It's not all peaceful noodling, either, as there are moments of both harsh and quiet dissonance.  Is it more mellow and contemplative than the rest of the album?  Yes, but it's not mere light relief, it's an intricate and complex track that requires attentive and rigorous listening to understand.
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There is also a general absence of many Post Rock and Math Rock classics in the top 250. Honestly, I think the only one is Sigur Ros's Agaetis Byrjun. There are multiple Post/ Experimental albums in the top 250 though - Devin Townsend, Tool, Agalloch. I'd love to see a Post Rock album creep into the top 100 someday. It would be well deserved. Violin
Completely agree with The Blue Lambency Downward - My favourite Kayo album by far. On of my favourite albums covers as well. May I also add Ghost by Devin Townsend. The album is still rated fairly high, but I's put it up there with Terria and Ziltoid. Beautiful album. Smile
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Unfold the Future or Space Revolver by the Flower Kings should at least be in the top 100
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^ thats a situation I'm pretty happy about to be honest. Par Lindh has made 3 great modern symph albums that blow Roine's output away easily in my opinion but they arent in the top 100 either.
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The Gentle Giant albums

Free Hand

And

In A Glass House

Both should be in the top 20 albums of all time on PA IMHO.
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I don't agree with ratings here usually. After picking up the 7 Oblivion express from the 70s I'm certain that Better Land and Happiness Heartaches are the strongest albums. But of course they are the lowest ranked Oblivion Express albums of the 70s in here Cool. Go listen to em all 10 times each and those albums will have the edge with more strong compositions. There's more strong tracks on Better Land than there is on the first album.
More ridiculous ratings. Astounding amazing music by Hawkwind gets 1 less star than Warrior. Astounding is so much better it's not funny. 4.5 stars from me, while Warrior is 3 star at best.


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All of Ulver's discography (at least the more electronic/ambient material).
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The Gentle Giant albums

Free Hand

And

In A Glass House

Both should be in the top 20 albums of all time on PA IMHO.
I prefer Octopus and Power And The Glory. There is an argument that GG peaked earlier but as you say its all a matter of opinion. For me In A Glass House is one of the most overrated albums on PA (although I don't dislike it)
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Rush - Caress of Steel
Rush - Grace Under Pressure
Rush - Hold Your Fire
Opeth - Watershed
Can - Tago Mago
Lands End - Natural Selection
VDGG - Aerosol Grey Machine
Yes - Yes
Kaipa - Kaipa
King Crimson - Starless and Bible Black
Jethro Tull - A Passion Play
Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant
Genesis - Genesis
Genesis - Invisible Touch
Eloy - Eloy
Eloy - Floating
Egg - Egg
Black Sabbath - Vol. 4
Black Sabbath - Sabotage
 
That's all for now.
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I simply can not understand that Dream Theater`s When Dream and Day Unite is not in the PA TOP 3!
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