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    Posted: July 08 2012 at 06:20
Anyone got any thoughts/recommendations on Prog Jazz ? The obvious choices are the Mahavishnu Orchestra and Soft Machine ( I only like Wyatt era - after that it was awful Open University Lecturer tedious crap jazz noodlings IMO). I think Free Jazz as a genre would definitley meet progressive requirements, eg. late period Coltranre alongside Miles Davis' In A Silent Way/Bitches Brew/Dark Magus. Special mention would also have to go to the stunning music created by Alice Coltrane, and 'Karma' by Pharoah Sanders is also an essential listen:
 
 
 


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You may want to check out the "Jazz-Rock Fusion" and "Canterbury Scene" sub-genres.  That's where you'll find most of what you're looking for, I think.  There are also some bands listed under the metal sub-genres that fuse metal with jazz music, though I can't name any off the top of my head, except for Felix Martin; I'm not sure if he's on this site.

Free jazz isn't included because this is a progressive rock site, and although free jazz could well be described as progressive, it couldn't be described as rock.
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Maybe these guys - tuba and metal instruments with less conventional structures

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check out Passport
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May I recommend some wonderful music from Norwegian 10 piece band, Jaga Jazzist:

These guys have gathered a lot of acclaim and praise over that past few years; Even winning the BBC award for best Jazz album of the year in 2002. They're extremely eclectic and unique  though, you won't find any other band like them. Zappa and Gentle Giant influences can be heard and The Mars Volta have stated their admiration for the band.
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Alice Coltrane is a fave of mine; especially for her late 60's through early 70's period.  My first of hers was Universal Conciousness, which I just fell in love with, but while she she made progressive jazz fusion, it's not progressive jazz-rock fusion.  Still, I have wanted a category where progressive artists such as John Coltrane (in Jazz) and Stockhausen (electronic/ musique concrete) could be highlighted that have a definite musical relation to artists here.

I love Karma by Pharoah Sanders, and there is some music by Pharoah Sanders that could make him considerable for PA.

Anyway, I would recommend Donals Byrd's Electric Byrd (not in PA, though he should be included for that album).



Sun Ra's Languidity:



Of a different sort, and I one I wanted in PA, Janko Nilovic:



I've received many suggestions I could mention from Saperlipopette, but I don't want to make this a really long post.  Booby Hutcherson's Cirrus is a good one, as is Herbie Mann's Stone Flute.  He recommended Gonda Sextet, which is great, and is the sort of jazz that a Magma fan could really get into.  Could recommend Magma for the first two albums as jazz fusion.

In the archives, favourites of mine other than Davis are Herbie Hancock (the Mwandishi trilogy) and related. I love Eddie Henderson's Realization and Julian Prister's Love, Love, as well as Maupin's The Jewel in the Lotus.  I also love Toshiyuki Miyama and His New Herd: Masahiko Satoh - Yamataifu,, and masahiko Satoh's Amalgamation.  I also love Bjorn J:son Lindh stuff and Terje Rypdal.
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To the original poster, do make sure you make your way over to Jazz Music Archives for more jazz discussion, many PA members are over there too.
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I was slightly put off that site, to be honest, as when I was there there seemed little actual discussion about music (however, I did enjoy people such as dreadpirateroberts there, so I might return) -- most of the posts were people posting what they were listening to without discussing the music. Actually, come to think of it, this topic made it two pages, and I think i did much the same at PA and only two people responded. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1167 It is a good site, just needs more members for more lively musical discussion.


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There are threads discussing music. Just go to the appreciation threads. There's also discussion throughout the various forums there. The "What Are You Listening To" thread over there occasionally has some chat too.

The problem IS the lack of activity, more members would mean more discussion. If you came over, Logan, it could spark some great chats about whatever jazz-related you want to discuss.
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I must have missed that thread (I don't know how haha). I gotta hand it to js, he really keeps the momentum of a thread going over there.
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I did find it easier to quickly find topics of interest at JMA than at PA, actually, as unlike with Prog generally, I am interested in  the big names of jazz (as well as the lesser known of course).  I know I have, with the exception of on non-JMA person in particular at PA, had more lively discussions about jazzy music at JMA that I have had when creating topics in PA for General Music Discussions about jazzy artists.  I shall return, especially as my interest in Prog-as-a-genre has been waning for years.  I'll do a thread looking for recommendations there.  I'm hoping for more stuff like this:



I really do wish that M@x had somehow combined PA and JMA, though (the I guess he'd also have to combine metal-music archives), as unlike some people, I'm more of a one message board kind of guy.
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Originally posted by darkshade

I must have missed that thread (I don't know how haha). I gotta hand it to js, he really keeps the momentum of a thread going over there.


He does.  I actually feel pretty bad about when I was asked to join the site that I ended up contributing nil.  Was just too much for me to juggle PA with JMA.  I may be the shortest lived collab that site has seen.
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If you regained interest, I'm sure he'd let you back, as the site is still young and growing.
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Jaga Jazzist has been mentioned and is the best band to check out.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Moorglader Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2012 at 02:39
Thanks for all the musical and website recommendations everyone. In recent months I've been on a Sun Ra quest that seems to be neverending. His output was phenomenal. I recently read a biography which also explained how he used to write/notate everything - all this seemingly unrestrained inspired freeform weirdness was coming out of his head fully formed. Incredible. I think that with the mighty Ra it's the beginning of a glorious ongoing mission. It's Jazz Jim, but not as we know it......
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Originally posted by Logan

I was slightly put off that site, to be honest, as when I was there there seemed little actual discussion about music (however, I did enjoy people such as dreadpirateroberts there, so I might return) -- most of the posts were people posting what they were listening to without discussing the music. Actually, come to think of it, this topic made it two pages, and I think i did much the same at PA and only two people responded. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1167 It is a good site, just needs more members for more lively musical discussion.


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You're welcome back any time - I miss your excellent recommendations there






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Hard to define what Prog Jazz really is. If I consider that Prog is the story and Jazz the teller, I will chose to start  :       "The Fables of Faubus"
 
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Fabulous track! Mingus was a genius. One of my favourite all time artists
 
 
 
ps: Apparently Chris Squire was very inspired by his bass playing. Quite right too.
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^ you'd be a 'Black Saint' fan too then?
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