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    Posted: July 10 2012 at 02:32
Hey Smurph!
I'm really glad you're getting into the Canterbury scene. Everyone's made excellent suggestions that'll really add to your musical world. Here's a beautiful Canterbury related song for you:
 
 
 
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Matching Mole! Wow, what a short lived band and the tragic accident of Robert Wyatt! What haunting memories I have of this time period. I believe I purchased the LP'S from "Jem Records" who had a warehouse in North Plainfield, NJ. This entrie underground scene in the 70's was so interesting to me. I was a fanatic out of control and it was so cool traveling to Philadelphia and actually meeting other record collectors who I shared a common interest with.
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What a strange song. I love this song!
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Originally posted by octopus-4

 
You beat me to it, fantastic album!
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Originally posted by Bj-1

Originally posted by octopus-4

 
You beat me to it, fantastic album!
 
I listened to some of that egg album on youtube and it is fantastic! I can't wait to start buying some of this stuff.
 
Also, BJ-1 - your album avatar is great as well. Present is much scarier than their name suggests! BUt they are as awesome as their name suggests. It is literally like getting a present.
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Originally posted by Smurph

Originally posted by Bj-1

Originally posted by octopus-4

 
You beat me to it, fantastic album!
 
I listened to some of that egg album on youtube and it is fantastic! I can't wait to start buying some of this stuff.
 
Also, BJ-1 - your album avatar is great as well. Present is much scarier than their name suggests! BUt they are as awesome as their name suggests. It is literally like getting a present.
 
Haha, yeah. I've read allmusic's review of that double set and they compared it to chinese water torture, which is actually quite true. Tongue They're still as brilliant now as when I first heard'em.
 
That Egg album is a must have, it's like Soft Machine's trickier brother. Almost got a knot on my tongue while counting all the time sigs but the music is constantly great and classic canterbury material!
 
 
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I love Egg. Great band, and as for Robert Wyatt, this is just beautiful:
 


Edited by Moorglader - July 11 2012 at 03:20
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Originally posted by Smurph

Ok- so really stylistically they could probably fit under one of the other genres as well, but because they share such a commonality that it's easier for organization's sake to put them under Canterbury?
 

Frankly I have to disagree with Steve (love ya Steve). Bands like Gong and Khan could, fairly easily, be put in something like psych. But honestly, bands like Egg, Caravan, early Soft Machine, and especially Hatfield and the North and National Health, for me have such a distinct sound that can't be put in any other sub-genre here in PA. Jazzy, complex yet wonderfully catchy and fun, somewhat psychedelic, Canterbury is a small but rather distinct community and sound. 
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Originally posted by Bj-1

Originally posted by Smurph

Originally posted by Bj-1

Originally posted by octopus-4

 
You beat me to it, fantastic album!
 
I listened to some of that egg album on youtube and it is fantastic! I can't wait to start buying some of this stuff.
 
Also, BJ-1 - your album avatar is great as well. Present is much scarier than their name suggests! BUt they are as awesome as their name suggests. It is literally like getting a present.
 
Haha, yeah. I've read allmusic's review of that double set and they compared it to chinese water torture, which is actually quite true. Tongue They're still as brilliant now as when I first heard'em.
 
That Egg album is a must have, it's like Soft Machine's trickier brother. Almost got a knot on my tongue while counting all the time sigs but the music is constantly great and classic canterbury material!
 
 


I love that album, absolutely classic stuff. Clap
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Recently I've had a chat with Clive Brooks. EGG may have some new songs written by Mont Campbell but they don't have a label or money to pay for a rehearsal room and a self-release, also because they don't live in the same city.
 
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Originally posted by octopus-4

Recently I've had a chat with Clive Brooks. EGG may have some new songs written by Mont Campbell but they don't have a label or money to pay for a rehearsal room and a self-release, also because they don't live in the same city.
 
We are going to miss a new masterpiece


Amazing Shocked I would feel sorry if money would be the reason to miss a masterpiece
It happened with UK in the 1990's, I remember.
Aren't there any millionaires on PA who would want to subsidize?
LOL Okay, let's get real again.
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I don't think  there are millionaires around here, but maybe a British band with own rehearsal room able and wishing to help...who knows?
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Dominant elements of psychedelic rock and jazz, and quirky English humour.
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Originally posted by TODDLER

I've noticed over the years, the relationship of inverted chord voicings repeated and used between Soft Machine, Hatfield and the North, Gong, National Health, and even the Muffins, which for me identifies something musical in Canterbury. I've had difficulties in spotting the same bass lines and chord voicings in the music of many other jazz/fusion units, although I have (in the past) heard them phrased that way in the music of Frank Zappa. In some cases the harmony structure can be identified in Canterbury music and is in a world of it's own. Whether or not it may be written by Dave Stewart or Robert Wyatt , it has the same flow and some of the same chord progressions being reversed or switched around. It's a different style that I do not hear in the music of Weather Report and many others. I often assume that the idea of sound and style was original and created by the English musicians. Alan Gowen and the bassist from EGG ...forgive me..I always forget his name..but they all have this unique concept of writing.

Yeah, that's one of the things that makes Canterbury Canterbury, the chords and chord sequences.    
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A Canterbury band not from Canterbury and one of my favorites:




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Originally posted by irrelevant

Originally posted by TODDLER

I've noticed over the years, the relationship of inverted chord voicings repeated and used between Soft Machine, Hatfield and the North, Gong, National Health, and even the Muffins, which for me identifies something musical in Canterbury. I've had difficulties in spotting the same bass lines and chord voicings in the music of many other jazz/fusion units, although I have (in the past) heard them phrased that way in the music of Frank Zappa. In some cases the harmony structure can be identified in Canterbury music and is in a world of it's own. Whether or not it may be written by Dave Stewart or Robert Wyatt , it has the same flow and some of the same chord progressions being reversed or switched around. It's a different style that I do not hear in the music of Weather Report and many others. I often assume that the idea of sound and style was original and created by the English musicians. Alan Gowen and the bassist from EGG ...forgive me..I always forget his name..but they all have this unique concept of writing.

Yeah, that's one of the things that makes Canterbury Canterbury, the chords and chord sequences.    


Indeed, very nicely put.

Also, and maybe this is slightly non-factual, but then again I've never been a champ with facts, - I do think there is a distinct sound - a quirkiness if you will - that seeps through in most Canterbury acts. Whimsical instrumentation that perhaps comes from a specific British humour. This is, however, also very recognisable in bands from outside of the UK - Supersister and Zyma for instance share a lot of this quirkiness. 
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Canterbury is a hard thing to define, for me it's just one of those things that when you hear you know. Having said that, the easiest way I could describe it (which probably omits important elements) is psychedelic jazz-rock full of atmosphere and  whimsey (both lyrically [if present]) and musically, usually keyboard dominant (with certain types of keyboards/key sounds) with intricate rhythms and rhythmic ideas and specific chord/chord sequences (which goes above my head in terms of musical understanding), with obviously 'british' feel (Even if produced outside of England) and in depth/complex song writings.
 
Or something like that. And it's one of the richest scenes in the prog world to my ears.
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Originally posted by octopus-4

Recently I've had a chat with Clive Brooks. EGG may have some new songs written by Mont Campbell but they don't have a label or money to pay for a rehearsal room and a self-release, also because they don't live in the same city.
 
We are going to miss a new masterpiece


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Have they considered using something like kickstarter to raise the funds to record/release it?
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Wow- I been noticing one difference is that Canterbury has some extremely "out there" solos. More than the usual early 70s music ha.
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Originally posted by The Hemulen

Originally posted by octopus-4

Recently I've had a chat with Clive Brooks. EGG may have some new songs written by Mont Campbell but they don't have a label or money to pay for a rehearsal room and a self-release, also because they don't live in the same city.
 
We are going to miss a new masterpiece


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Have they considered using something like kickstarter to raise the funds to record/release it?
I think their age is influencing their will to make the new album. I have suggested him working like Camel, recording their parts separately and mix them together. I don't know how it will go. I haven't had other contacts after that one.
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