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    Posted: November 10 2012 at 21:35
^ You guys are lucky, still getting vinyls.  Unfortunately most of my purchases are all digital with a few CDs here and there.
 
Anyway, I had to play Lex Rex today so I could better compare Perilous to it.  To me Perilous is winning by a large margin and I have given it quite a number of spins.  This one just grows and grows...

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Hey Chris, that sounds pretty amazing, can I please keep in touch through Private Messages here or in email about that? My friend on the Archives here Tom Ozric and I will likely be each snapping up copies of these albums - I'm in Melbourne, he's in Queensland - so this could be a great idea! Very appreciated that would would even offer!
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Hey, don't forget that we also put out the new echolyn earlier in the year as well ... and the great new DBA album (Geoff Downes and Chris Braide).

Not sure how much it will help, but I'm an airline pilot for my "proper" job and I could probably bring albums with me to Sydney to ship; as our albums are all heavyweight pressings and many are doubles, this might save a fortune on shipping!

Cheers, Chris
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Wow, that is outstanding news! I'm going to get my Archives buddy Tom Ozric onto this and work out about getting some copies!

Didn't you guys just put out `Izz - Crush Of Night' as well on LP?! That is a terrific album!

Wow, with the Izz, Big Big Train and now Glass Hammer albums, you've got three knockout 2012 prog releases on vinyl right there!

(think I'll be rebuying them ALL on LP, even though I've got the CD's already!)

Thanks for the heads up!

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Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Yep, that was EXACTLY my concern, Richard!

From what I've picked up on my few brief listens, the total Anderson similarities of the vocals kind of distract from how much effort and skill seemingly went into creating the dense and sophisticated music. I think those new listeners brought in by Yes will absolutely go nuts over it because of Jon's voice, but I'd hate for this album to reinforce tired `Yes clone' comparisons/dismissals.

BTW, I also plan on snapping up one of those vinyl copies that are proposed on the Archives ad on the front page!


It's not just a proposal - we're expecting delivery of all 500 copies before the end of November! This album - on vinyl - will blow you away. I'm immensely proud of the albums we've released this year on Plane Groovy, and now being able to confirm "Perilous" and "English Electric Part 1" on the label kind of acts as an early Christmas present for me, particularly as the bands have been so generous in finding the extra tracks for these vinyl releases.
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Yep, that was EXACTLY my concern, Richard!

From what I've picked up on my few brief listens, the total Anderson similarities of the vocals kind of distract from how much effort and skill seemingly went into creating the dense and sophisticated music. I think those new listeners brought in by Yes will absolutely go nuts over it because of Jon's voice, but I'd hate for this album to reinforce tired `Yes clone' comparisons/dismissals.

BTW, I also plan on snapping up one of those vinyl copies that are proposed on the Archives ad on the front page!
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Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Richard, I think in the end you'll have more luck in Europe/the UK to get to see Glass Hammer....down here in Australia....well, we're not exactly the prog capital of the world!

Yep, so far `Perilous' sounds so complex and carefully composed with darkly classical and epic arrangements, it's going to take a lot of listens to appreciate properly - challenge accepted!

I was kind of stunned when I first hit play by the quality and depth - even though I was really taken back by the overt `Anderson's' in the vocal delivery!
 
Well at least you have gorgeous weather , beaches etc as a consolation.Smile
 
The Anderson style is very strong but they manage to avoid sounding too much like Yes most of the time. I love the atmosphere on this album. Its quite modern and sleek but also nods to the past without being a copy. Fred is just amazing on the keyboards and as you say there is a density and complexity to the whole thing which is very impressive. I just hope it doesn't get written off as another Yes soundalike retro album as patently it is not that.
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I have just Listened to Lex Rex a couple of times and that is a CD that has grown on me since I last listened to it - Excellent synth swirling arpegios and some nice guitar also - also some good hammond work - you can definately pick out some tales from topographic oceans moments and a bit of genesis also - but nothing too plagiaristic - the English music hall intro's are not needed I think - but I may have to go back and re-visit my review....
I shall now buy Cor Cordium and the latest I think.
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Richard, I think in the end you'll have more luck in Europe/the UK to get to see Glass Hammer....down here in Australia....well, we're not exactly the prog capital of the world!

Yep, so far `Perilous' sounds so complex and carefully composed with darkly classical and epic arrangements, it's going to take a lot of listens to appreciate properly - challenge accepted!

I was kind of stunned when I first hit play by the quality and depth - even though I was really taken back by the overt `Anderson's' in the vocal delivery!

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I received it yesterday and have had just one listen.
 
A few thoughts - the only thing that sounds like Yes is the vocals. The music is beautifully cohesive which surprised me given all the parts. There are some lovely 'different' sections which breaks it up and makes it way more enjoyable than 'If' (imo). Fred plays a lot of organ in the style of Eddie Jobson (UK Danger Money era) with a nod towards ELP on odd occasions. This feels a lot more like an album based firmly on keyboards. Not sure the guitar gets so much attention as perhaps the previous two albums but need more listens to be sure.
 
Most importantly I love it on first listen. Plenty of goosebumps and I have that nice warm fuzzy feeling that I need to get from GH. This and Cor Cordium may well establish GH at the top of the tree of modern symhonic prog bands.
 
PS Is there any chance whatsoever they could tour Europe or more specifially the UK? I really need to see this band.
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OK, so FINALLY my copy of the newie `Perilous' has arrived (I've been trying to keep my impatience waiting for it at bay by launching into reviewing all their previous albums to distract me! ).

On first listen, although the music is more complex and varied than ever before, I cannot believe how much they've made Jon sing like Anderson from Yes. I mean, this time he sings EXACTLY like Jon Anderson - ALL THE TIME. It was clearly done from the perspective of latching onto the exposure that Jon's work with Yes has brought the Hammer boys, but at least on most of `Cor Cordium', and particularly with tracks like `Dear Daddie', Jon was starting to find his own voice.

To be honest, this aspect is a bit of a shock, and kind of...depressing? My gut reaction when hearing it is kind of....a wasted opportunity? The last thing G.Hammer needs is MORE Yes associations...

It probably makes sense, this decision they made, to impress Yes fans that might be new to the band, but it's a bit of a cop out.

Luckily the music itself sounds very promising....I'll report back soon!
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I've done a bit of an about face on If now and edited my review of 2 years ago and upgraded it to 4 stars. I still prefer Cor Cordium thoughSmile
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I am going to try and get round to reviewing some Glass Hammer as they deserve more recognition than what they are currently getting. 
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^^^ Also saw Jon with Yes this summer here in the states, perfect.  I have now given "Perilous" a number of spins and to me, I put it on par with "Lex Rex", but in a differnt way since Jon is on vocals and the writing seems more intracate.  I don't have "If" yet, so I can't compare to that, but I do like it better than "Cor Cordium".

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Well said ABB, and I remember meeting you there at the concert! ........such a great night
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I was there with you, Scott, and I can only support Jon as well!

I think he's given Glass Hammer a bit of a stable lead-vocalist slot, which can only be a good thing! These last three albums will be easily associated as the `Jon' albums, as opposed to the frequently revolving vocalists through the course of their prior albums.

I'll admit I do miss the naivety and daggy innocence of Fred and Steve's lead vocals. Even if they weren't the most charismatic of lead vocalists, they still had a lot of character and distictive personality. Their vocal arrangements were always quite impressive too.
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Glass Hammer are great but do not get the recognition as not as popular. The lead singer I saw in the recent Yes concert in Melbourne and he was absolutely incredible. His voice was great with Yes. I think its unfair to call GH Yes clones though as they have their own style, especially on the IF album.
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Why? Because the currently active members on progarchives don't represent the prog mainstream at all - most are RIO/avant and post rock fanatics. Wierd and tuneless is great, melody is for old farts.

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Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ISurprisingly very enjoyable as I didn't like IF at all. I was expecting a clone of IF... 


Heresy.  Plain & simple.Angry

IF is awesome, except for the preachiness, but the tunes rock!

May I suggest you go back and give it another listening?  You are quite obviously doing something wrong.Wink

OK, seriously....

For me, I went bannanas over IF.  Cor Cordium or cordoba or conundrum or whatever doesn't work for me at all, just notes, no feeling, I did like the song Nothing Box, though, quite a bit. Plus I hate people who try to give me Latin lessons! Speak English! I say!  It was good enough for Henry VIII and Roye Albrighton & Elton John....Big smile

You are from England....think of all the bloodshed and lives that would have been spared over the centuries if those arrogant French people, just spoke English???   Think about it.

Who needs Latin???Confused    Who needs the Peace Corps???



I will persevere with IF for sure , I must be missing somethingConfused
 
Cor Cordium is beautifull. 60 minutes that flies past not a wasted moment and on my third listen I'm now thinking this could be my favourite symph prog album of the last 10 years or so.
 
(and not touching the comment about the French , suffice to say that one of my favourite TV programmes of all time is Sharpe. Over the hills and far away....)Smile
 
 
 
 
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I think it's sometimes looked down upon to love a band that is considered merely a cliched product of their influences, but I find Glass Hammer are frequently adding their own touches, pushing themselves, experimenting. There's actually a lot of different touches throughout all their albums. Usually they're not in the same place as they were a few albums back.

To be honest, I actually think G.Hammer kind of give a big two raised middle fingers to the haters, as they put out albums so appreciated by symphonic fans that are full of real `F.you' prog - defiantly, gloriously and proudly PROG!

Edited by Aussie-Byrd-Brother - October 30 2012 at 13:06
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