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    Posted: July 10 2012 at 14:39
Glass Hammer has a few albums that should be rated over 4.00, but they are lower at PA.  Compare their top four  albums to anything on the 2011 top 100, and their albums are rated low.  Their highest is a 3.75.  They make solid prog.  Why don't they get higher ratings from the PA audience?  Do they sound too much like other groups?
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Because frankly I find them to be rather unoriginal and not very interesting. I never rated any of their albums, though.
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I've never heard anything from them, but I must admit from reading all those reviews talking about how they sound like YES - doesn't exactly make me wet myself. I love YES, but when I want to hear YES, then I pop on Relayer. 

These people maybe wrong though, I know - but there's a good deal of writers whom I respect that mostly describe their music as being very close to the aforementioned band. 

On another note, many a bands featured here on PA have 'low' ratings according to other sites. One of my old favourites, Franco Battiato's debut album Fetus, had a rating below 3 before I reviewed it. Personally I found that to be verging on the offensive, and I don't even pay attention to ratingsLOL
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I consider a 3.75 average rating to be excellent, actually.  I wouldn't worry.  Only the absolute top dogs end up with average ratings over 4. Consider the sample size, too.  Any average rating calculated from less than 100 ratings is probably not that reliable.


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Glass Hammer is great. There's a lot of opinionated jerks who think it makes them sound more intelligent if they trash bands around here. Don't take them seriously, I guess. This site should be about appreciation of music, but there's too many people who think they need to trash another band to make their favorite sound good, and they're just hurting themselves by being so over critical is all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Morsenator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:18
A very nice band indeed. Sure, you can hear the Yes influences, but it's nothing like a clone or anything. Actually I prefer a few of their best songs over most of Yes's classic material Tongue
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I sampled some but don't know them really.  I have a strict policy against hammering music I don't know.  
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I love Lex Rex and Culture of Ascent.  Shadowlands is okay.  Everything else of theirs just seems really bland to my ears.  I own everything of theirs from Lex Rex through If.
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Glass Hammer is great. There's a lot of opinionated jerks who think it makes them sound more intelligent if they trash bands around here. Don't take them seriously, I guess. This site should be about appreciation of music, but there's too many people who think they need to trash another band to make their favorite sound good, and they're just hurting themselves by being so over critical is all.
GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

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I saw that response coming from a mile away, although I expected that it would come from the rabid dog of snow.
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I saw that response coming from that response two miles away. Tongue

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javajeff:  You'll find that modern symphonic prog in general tends to polarize opinion, as some people love it while some think it's too derivative of the classic bands, or not "progressive" or experimental enough.  Being heavily inspired by Yes, Glass Hammer often gets tagged as a Yes clone, and however good the compositions might be, if a band's music is too close to the sound of a classic band, it's not worth much as it's just unnecessary repetition of what another band already did.  I've only heard a couple Glass Hammer songs, so I don't have an opinion on them.  I liked the songs (they did sound quite similar to Yes), but I just never listened to more than a few (there's so much good music out there, it's hard to listen to it all!)  Really, the only modern symph I listen to is Epignosis and Echolyn, as of now.
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If he sees that response coming, and you see his response for that response coming, and I see your response for that response's response coming, did I see my response for the response's response already before he posted his response? 
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Originally posted by Morsenator Morsenator wrote:

If he sees that response coming, and you see his response for that response coming, and I see your response for that response's response coming, did I see my response for the response's response already before he posted his response? 

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Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.  Look, have you ever read UMUR's reviews?  I've never read anything negative from him.  He can write a 3 star review, and if you didn't look at the stars, you'd think he loved the album because he says nice things.  This is something I am striving to emulate now that I am writing reviews in return for receiving free promos.  I have not yet written a review under 3 stars, and if I got something that I thought I might want to dip to that level or below, I'd tell the guy who sends me the promos that I'm not sure I want to write that one, because I always want to be respectful.  But I don't think that's a sentiment most reviewers agree with - I think a lot of people think it's cool to be insulting, because other people who share their hatred of that music applaud them and tell them how funny they were.
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I was just really curious why they get hit so hard.  I always thought it was the YES clone analogy.  However, what about Wobbler?  I think Wobbler is rated higher, but they did not make it over the 4.00 hump.  I think both bands have good albums.

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?  I enjoy both.

Look at this list and tell me that every album rated over 4.00 is better than Lex Rex:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list


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Shadowlands is okay, rest of their stuff is kind of annoying/bad/cheesy whatever. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dtguitarfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2012 at 17:10
Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?

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