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Cheese doesn't have to be bad, but bad cheese has a reek of its own.
No bad cheese reeks as badly as bad prog cheese....true or false?
I just wonder if proggers are maybe more forgiving of cheesey prog than say, metalheads are of cheesey metal?
(Given that metal is way more popular than prog)
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Posted: August 28 2012 at 10:55
cstack3 wrote:
smartpatrol wrote:
I think the only truluy cheesey/pretentious Prog band I've heard is ELP. Still like em, though.
Hmmm...I'd agree with that! Emerson wrestling with a Hammond organ onstage, plunging a dagger into the keyboard with great drama, would seem to fit the bill.
However, many of the greats seemed to wallow in a sea of cheese! Sir Richard Wakeman? This photo reeks of prog cheesiness!
I don't know if you've read his book Grumpy Old Rock Star but in the photo section he has a whole page of photos of himself dressed up in robes caoes & sh*t. The caption reads " It was the seventies, why else woould I look like this?"
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Posted: September 01 2012 at 01:27
Vibrationbaby wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
smartpatrol wrote:
I think the only truluy cheesey/pretentious Prog band I've heard is ELP. Still like em, though.
Hmmm...I'd agree with that! Emerson wrestling with a Hammond organ onstage, plunging a dagger into the keyboard with great drama, would seem to fit the bill.
However, many of the greats seemed to wallow in a sea of cheese! Sir Richard Wakeman? This photo reeks of prog cheesiness!
I don't know if you've read his book Grumpy Old Rock Star but in the photo section he has a whole page of photos of himself dressed up in robes caoes & sh*t. The caption reads " It was the seventies, why else woould I look like this?"
Haven't seen that one, must check it out!!
I tend to forgive extreme prog cheesiness IF the music & talent levels are high! So, even though I laughed at Rick with sparkles in his blonde hair at the GFTO show (all the better to reflect the lasers), I took it as what it was, cheeky showmanship!
I don't suppose the cheesiest prog comes close to the cheese of the 80's hair metal bands, with all the pouting, posturing, silly haircuts, etc. Poison, Motley Crue, Ratt, Dokken, Cinderella etc. etc.
Man, that was some heavy cheese!! Ugh!! Never got into much of that stuff, if at all (although I did like Randy Rhodes as a guitarist).
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Posted: September 01 2012 at 03:38
show business is 'cheese' .. but this thread shows that that there are many different flavors/interpretations... it allows 'us' to enjoy in so many ways/or disdain.. either way.. peace
Cheezy music.....overblown and cheap-sounding; blatant copying using inferior recording equipment and instruments; lacking authenticity or feeling.....no soul. Trans-Siberian Orchestra.....Xmas cheese; later-era Styx.....processed cheese; GTR.....Howe cheese hacketted to bits!The 80s were full of cheese.....Jefferson Starship built a city of cheese; Europe's final countdown to the cheese; the Bugles killed a radio star made of cheese.....there was no shortage of cheese during the 80s.
Some cheese is fantastic.....that Emerson moog synth solo on "Lucky Man" - one of the tastiest bites of cheese in progdom.
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Posted: May 04 2016 at 18:26
Cheesiness is subjective. Though I agree that neo-prog is the biggest cheese offender. There's a certain sound that encompasses cheesiness for me, though I don't really know how to describe it. Smooth production is the first thing I notice concerning cheesiness, though someone said "punchy keyboard tones" and I think that's probably the best I can describe it. But there are certainly people out there who like it, and there are some people who just describe prog rock in general as cheesy. Lots of subjectivity.
So there aren't really standard "cheesy" bands, but the ones I see people complain about most are ELP and Dream Theater. Probably other neo-prog bands too.
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Posted: May 04 2016 at 22:59
cstack3 wrote:
In a few recent threads (Dio and Glass Hammer), there are numerous references to "cheesy prog."
I think I understand what is implied, but am not sure....what, exactly, is "cheesy prog"? A new subcategory perhaps?
And, what is YOUR favorite cheesy-prog band??
OP here, I'm glad to see us discussing Prog Cheese years after I started this thread!
Generally, any prog band that tries "too hard" can sound cheesy. My friends in Starcastle were guilty of that....I once laughed that the lyrics for their second LP, "Fountains of Light," sounded as if they were penned by a writer for a greeting card company! Terrible, insipid lyrics!
Other bands that are guilty of trying a bit too hard include Styx, Uriah Heep, etc. in addition to many already mentioned.
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cstack3 wrote:
show business is 'cheese' .. but this thread shows that that there are many different flavors/interpretations... it allows 'us' to enjoy in so many ways/or disdain.. either way.. peace
